{"conversationCode":"432-019","tapeNumber":432,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-432-019","startDateTime":"1973-05-02T18:22:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-02T18:24:00.000Z","startDate":"2-May-1973","startTime":"2:22 PM","endDate":"2-May-1973","endTime":"2:24 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:22 pm and 2:24 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 432-019 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 432-19\n\nDate: May 2, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 2:22 pm and 2:24 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 45-146]","filename":["432-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"432-018","nextCode":"432-020","transcript":[{"start":0.35,"end":2.16,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.16,"end":6.16,"text":"Survived your conference?"},{"start":6.32,"end":7.19,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":7.21,"end":7.41,"text":"Okay."},{"start":7.43,"end":11.29,"text":"Anything new come up that I should know about?"},{"start":11.31,"end":11.55,"text":"Right."},{"start":20.67,"end":20.77,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":34.64,"end":41.39,"text":"I think that's the only thing to do on that one, Chief."},{"start":41.41,"end":42.17,"text":"The President ordered the break-in."},{"start":44.02,"end":44.16,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":66.11,"end":68.04,"text":"Right, right."},{"start":68.06,"end":79.54,"text":"Well, they want to see whether or not I said something in the speech that I should have revealed, whether it was a damn thing."},{"start":79.56,"end":81.06,"text":"Well, that's what I mean."},{"start":81.08,"end":86.49,"text":"They want to know whether or not in the speech I knew something that I did not reveal."},{"start":86.51,"end":86.77,"text":"That's right."},{"start":86.99,"end":94.09,"text":"Which, of course, I didn't know anything about."},{"start":94.11,"end":108.49,"text":"I knew about the break-in, but I didn't know anything about the, you know, I mentioned the activities, you know what I mean?"},{"start":108.51,"end":108.61,"text":"Okay."},{"start":108.63,"end":108.85,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":109.83,"end":110.51,"text":"That's right, that's right."},{"start":110.53,"end":111.05,"text":"Right, face right through."},{"start":111.07,"end":114.92,"text":"Yeah, if you get out here, you're gonna have a good day."},{"start":114.94,"end":115.48,"text":"Four o'clock today is fine."},{"start":118.34,"end":128.01,"text":"They were mad at me."},{"start":128.03,"end":129.09,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":129.11,"end":129.21,"text":"Fine."},{"start":129.23,"end":129.65,"text":"All right, fine, Ron."},{"start":129.67,"end":129.87,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":131.88,"end":131.98,"text":"Fine."},{"start":132,"end":132.74,"text":"See you later."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler met briefly to coordinate their response to intensifying scrutiny regarding the Watergate break-in. They discussed allegations that Nixon withheld information during a recent speech, with the President explicitly denying prior knowledge of the criminal activity. The pair prepared for upcoming inquiries and set a schedule for further discussion later that afternoon.","topics":["Watergate scandal","Public relations","Press strategy","Criminal investigation","Presidential speech"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:46:01.531Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-scandal","public-relations","press-strategy","criminal-investigation","presidential-speech"],"audioDurationSec":138,"audioFiles":[{"file":"432-019.mp3","bytes":4417536,"durationSec":137.97,"bitrate":256138,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.105Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/432-019.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/432-019","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/432/conversation-432-019","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}