{"conversationCode":"432-021","tapeNumber":432,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-432-021","startDateTime":"1973-05-02T18:28:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-02T18:29:00.000Z","startDate":"2-May-1973","startTime":"2:28 PM","endDate":"2-May-1973","endTime":"2:29 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:28 pm and 2:29 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 432-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 432-21\n\nDate: May 2, 1973\nTime: 2:28 pm - 2:29 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\f                                              -19-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 432-21 (cont’d)\n\n[See Conversation No. 45-148]","filename":["432-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"432-020","nextCode":"432-022","transcript":[{"start":0.3,"end":3.01,"text":"So, can you do your Stuart Hall song?"},{"start":5.64,"end":7.07,"text":"Yeah, fine."},{"start":7.09,"end":8.15,"text":"Fine, well, take your time."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler engaged in an extremely brief, informal exchange following a meeting regarding the Stuart Hall matter. The discussion centered on confirming Ziegler's ability to handle the specific task or public statement related to Hall. No formal policy decisions or substantive strategic actions were recorded during this one-minute interaction.","topics":["Stuart Hall","Public relations","Press operations","White House staff"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:46:12.462Z"},"topicSlugs":["stuart-hall","public-relations","press-operations","white-house-staff"],"audioDurationSec":14,"audioFiles":[{"file":"432-021.mp3","bytes":458752,"durationSec":14.21,"bitrate":258209,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.105Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:39.451Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/432-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/432-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/432/conversation-432-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}