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He said, because this is a matter for, you know, the court, the best thing he feels to say is that, look, we're not going to comment on stories such as this.

The fact of the matter is the material was provided to the court in the present situation.

He didn't question my recollection.

No.

Because my conversation, I remember, I told him that night, there was nothing.

So he was in good shape.

Yeah, he was in good shape.

He said, look, Rodney, the point of it is, he said in the course of discussions, that's where you have a client, you know, Justice Department confidentiality of executive privilege.

He said, hell, there are all sorts of working papers that are discussed.

National Security Matters,

what impact that has.

He said, that's irrelevant.

He said, the main fact is, he said, you have all sorts of working papers when you're dealing with, you have disagreements within the Justice Department.

That's how they're seen.

That's right.

They did hear.

So, that's out of the way.

The other point, that's sort of a pill that you can't, is working on a memo to you in terms of

some of the things you said this morning, everyone was very impressed by that.

That was a good, solid, uh, uh, fable, so that, you know, in terms of your, your argument, do you want that?

Not long.

No, no, I would agree.

I would agree.

Um, then the other, the other point I was just speaking with Al, in terms of tomorrow, Al feels this, I feel this also, that

At this point, from Al's standpoint, therefore, in the best interest of what we're doing, it's better to keep referring to him as a criminal at this point, unless you want to do otherwise.

But the argument for referring to him as a criminal is that it doesn't get a lot of the people in Washington beginning to set him up as a target now that they've had to disinfect him.

Right.

Well, that as well.

And the staff, I refer to him otherwise.

That doesn't matter.

That doesn't matter to the staff.

I see.

Yeah.

That's fine.

And you make your decision that you'll be part of it anyway.

Yeah.

Just in this period.

Yeah.

Where it's better out here.

Yeah.

I'll just say that he's taking over the duty at this time.

And I'm cooperating.

Good.

Well, I'm not going to talk too much.

I agree you should give your car reports.

I'd say that just a portion of your, a little more than glossy white.

Oh yeah, but just, I wouldn't, yeah.

Now it's, and again, what you say, oh, of course, I mean, it would be the black.

It's good.

It doesn't, because when the people, first of all, you're going to be a standing ovation.

What do you mean?

Well, basically, the fact that there's much to do.

And good men in government do that.

And the process is important, and we should not be prejudiced.

but saying that in a way that does not sound like you are defending.

In short, the process of justice is important, and the work of the present presidency must continue for the well-being of the country and the world, and then the rest.

Let's not allow this to paralyze the government

But I think the way you put it, this will not paralyze them.

It cannot paralyze them.

It's probably a better word than paralyze.

Because of the work that must be done in the interest of the American people in this world.

The other point that does not sound offensive, but it has to be said right,

or learning from mistakes.

You don't want to say that in a way that the president's not going to say that.

That's something I've done.

It's kind of...

I don't want to say it's the press that will think that we're all growing up.

It's the press again.

I'm not going to allow that content.

They've gone too far.

They have a tool here.

They have a patent.

We're not going to show any of that.

But on this one, they're going to look back.

Well, they won't look back.

You know, can they go wrong if they take the word of, you know, and against the word of a rubber horse?

Or of a genre?

Or of an average genre?

They haven't done that yet.

Public heaven.

Public heaven, no.

I was talking to Pat this morning, and I said, Pat, would you have any time?

I said, no.

He said, yeah, well, no.

He said, yeah, we have press conference.

Every briefing will run.

You remember, we always check everything that John came on the, on Watergate as to what we can say about it.

He, he, is he trying to get off the witness that he was the witness to the evacuation of that original plane?

Uh-huh.

Yes, sir.

I didn't know that.

That's one of the policies.

Well, he didn't conduct an evacuation.

That's one of the policies.

Yeah, but why isn't he trying to get off of that?

I don't, I don't know what the hell, how that helps.

Well, he's getting off of it, like somebody said.

he reported the government did to Bob and John.

Bob and John, did Bob, they had that investigation.

Well, his point was, it really wasn't, see, his point is that if there wasn't covering, Bob and John were very much involved in it.

Therefore, his investigation was not an investigation of whatever it was.

But I would say, for example, I don't think you're perfectly capable of saying that, you know, all that you do when you get into it.

... ... ... ... ... ...

And I guess, unfortunately in that conversation,

I don't, I don't, I don't know who's going to say that, you know, because I don't, you know, I, after all, I'm very likely to probably throw, I mean, I'm going to throw that completely at you.

You know, you're going to try to break much out of that conversation.

You could have it covered there if you came in.

We were great on Cheshire, but that was it.

Right.

Right around the wrong.

The president congratulated.

I'll be there.

I got it.

If I did that, it's called a fashion.

You know, I don't think he's that sure.

I'm actually just looking at him, and I don't know if he's wrong or not.

You've got to think about, in other words, probably going to have a lot of discrepancies.

You know, always be very, very sure of the discrepancies.

If you don't ever have any other chance to go out and look, I would write.

But, uh, but that...

Like, for example, what he did with these two-plus yesterday.

Uh, I think he might do it to the press.

I think he might do it to the press.

I mean, that is the point of the issue.

That he can now be destroyed, right now, in the Sears office.

and then give it to them but not let them

uh you know if we know what their goal is going to be

That sounds like a deemed ploy, you know, to have a safety deposit box.

That's what he did.

He handed it to the prosecutor, not to the court.

And he did this one last week, not the last week.

He said what?

He said these are in a safe in my home.

No, it was a safety deposit box.

Things get taken out of the way.

Yeah, you see, I think what he, all he could have is when he wrote the camp table, back in January, I recall a discussion of Dean putting together some material to get out, to commit the gun.

I suppose it's a great instance.

Yep.

So that might be what he had.

Well, of course, that wouldn't help it.

Not that.

What he wrote in the camp table, after the fact.

Okay, that's about real.

We've got no choice but whatever he says.

We're fighting to the death.

Nothing's worth anything.

I suppose, except by what I'm sitting under 12.

I'm sure that's true.

You know, even though they think they're people, they question all this crap, you know, they figure what to do.

Just send out your polls to me.

I'm trying to figure out how many.

I'd be cautious with

I think you should have that pole.

Careful with how it comes into you.

Did Colson send it by?

I don't know.

Yes, he must have sent it.

Well, that was in the study.

Yeah, right.

So, that's all I know.

I haven't talked to him.

Why don't you go to the grand jury?

The guy's really covered himself.

He's got an answer for everything.

I just like those.

All of them.

You know, if someone gets something in motion, if you know something is in motion,

Stay away from what you put in motion.