Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 432 › Conversation 432-038

Nixon & Bull on Michael P. Balzano Jr. and White House administration

Wednesday, May 9, 1973 · 4:05 PM–4:10 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 5 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation432-038 on Tape 432StartWednesday, May 9, 1973 at 4:05 PMEndWednesday, May 9, 1973 at 4:10 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 432-038 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met briefly to discuss the management of the President's upcoming schedule and the logistics of delivering personal items, including a potential substitution involving Pat Nixon. The discussion centered on coordinating various administrative events, such as the swearing-in of Michael P. Balzano, Jr. and meetings with key economic advisors like George Shultz. The pair also finalized plans for upcoming Congressional sessions and staff consultations throughout the remainder of the week.

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I believe that the water sheet is gone.

Thank you.

They work a lot better than me.

How are we?

What are we up to?

Probably, probably what?

And uh...

I think she was right.

I think we left that door when we left Friday.

Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday, uh, Friday,

Yes, yes, definitely.

And we get back.

Yeah.

Hello.

You tell them that I went and stalked the house and all this and all that.

I'm going to fight here.

NARA Description

On May 9, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:05 pm and 4:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 432-038 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 432-38

Date: May 9, 1973
Time: Unknown between 4:05 pm and 4:10 p.m.
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

       Delivery of object
              -Substitution
                      -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                            -Chicago [?]

       Writing implement [?]
              -Fading

       President’s schedule
              -Cabinet
              -Swearing-in
                      -Michael P. Balzano, Jr.
              -Congressional event
              -Audio taping session
              -Aftermath
                      -Meeting
                             -George P. Shultz
                             -Herbert Stein
                             -Roy L. Ash
              -Friday
                      -Congressional leaders meeting
              -William E. Timmons
              -Cabinet meeting
              -Friday
                      -William P. Rogers
                             -Timing
                      -John Slemp
                             -Henry A. Kissinger
              -Dinner, family
                                              -47-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                              Conversation No. 432-38 (cont’d)

              -Telephone call [?]

Stephen Bull left at an unknown time before 4:10 pm.

Also recorded on May 9, 1973

045-173 4:10 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:10 pm and 4:15 pm.
432-039 4:10 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:10 pm and 4:14 pm.
045-174 4:14 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 4:14 pm to 4:15 pm.
432-040 4:14 PM · 17 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:14 pm to 4:15 pm.
432-041 4:15 PM · 18 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 6:03 pm.
432-042 4:15 PM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Thomas Hart met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 6:03 pm.
434-001 5:00 PM · 48 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:00 pm to 5:05 pm.
045-175 5:05 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 5:05 pm and 6:03 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 432-038, May 9, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/432-038 (accessed October 5, 2026).