{"conversationCode":"433-006","tapeNumber":433,"conversationNumber":6,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-433-006","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T17:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T17:04:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"1:00 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"1:04 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:00 pm and 1:04 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 433-006 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 433-6\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 1:00 pm and 1:04 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 45-75]","filename":["433-006.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"433-005","nextCode":"433-007","transcript":[{"start":0.45,"end":0.81,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.13,"end":12.35,"text":"I think Bill Rogers, I'm afraid, is getting a lunch for, you might check to see if it is, if he is, if he isn't getting a lunch for the chancellor."},{"start":12.37,"end":18.23,"text":"And before any decision is made on this, I want him to look at the lines that you're working this out."},{"start":18.25,"end":28.22,"text":"But tell Carmen that this is, that the president's really shocked that he would have the bad judgment to have somebody defraud this."},{"start":28.24,"end":28.6,"text":"Would you do that?"},{"start":30.04,"end":46.57,"text":"These men are not dependents."},{"start":47.41,"end":50.98,"text":"These men are not dependents, and I'm not going to allow that."},{"start":53,"end":54.34,"text":"Do you understand?"},{"start":54.36,"end":59.91,"text":"I know, and I'm shocked, and I'm very disappointed in giving that message immediately."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directs his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to investigate whether Secretary of State William Rogers is hosting a lunch for a foreign chancellor. Simultaneously, the President expresses significant anger regarding an instance of reported fraud, instructing Bull to inform Carmen that such poor judgment is unacceptable. Nixon emphasizes that the individuals involved are not dependents and demands immediate action to address the situation.","topics":["William Rogers","administrative oversight","fraud","personnel management","diplomatic protocol"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:48:53.056Z"},"topicSlugs":["william-rogers","administrative-oversight","fraud","personnel-management","diplomatic-protocol"],"audioDurationSec":67,"audioFiles":[{"file":"433-006.mp3","bytes":2146304,"durationSec":66.95,"bitrate":256479,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.424Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/433-006.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-006","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/433/conversation-433-006","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}