{"conversationCode":"433-016","tapeNumber":433,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-433-016","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T17:18:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T17:20:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"1:18 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"1:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Arends, Leslie C.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Leslie C. Arends met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:18 pm to 1:20 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 433-016 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 433-16\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\n\f                                              -8-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\nTime: 1:18 pm - 1:20 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Leslie C. Arends.\n\n[See Conversation No. 45-84]","filename":["433-016.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Arends, Leslie C."],"prevCode":"433-015","nextCode":"433-017","transcript":[{"start":3.19,"end":9.62,"text":"Well, I just wanted to tell you to keep the faith, old boy."},{"start":13.68,"end":15.62,"text":"The right thing, it was tough, you know."},{"start":15.64,"end":21.21,"text":"I mean, it's the hardest thing in the world, you know, like poor old, poor Eisenhower."},{"start":21.23,"end":25.82,"text":"You know, I had to fire Adams, you know, and Eisenhower."},{"start":26.14,"end":28.5,"text":"But I did it myself with these guys."},{"start":28.88,"end":30.16,"text":"I said, look, you've got to go, boys."},{"start":31.22,"end":32.38,"text":"But it had to be done last year."},{"start":36.09,"end":64.43,"text":"your colleague percy to come out for a special prosecutor and arrest was more with a crazy son of a"},{"start":64.73,"end":70.36,"text":"I got what the hell do you think Richardson is?"},{"start":70.38,"end":71.22,"text":"That's right."},{"start":71.24,"end":73.88,"text":"And I told her to make his point of the special question."},{"start":73.9,"end":74.68,"text":"What's the crisis?"},{"start":74.72,"end":79.64,"text":"A matter of course."},{"start":79.67,"end":81.39,"text":"I have somebody attacked us on the bench."},{"start":84.25,"end":84.53,"text":"All right."},{"start":85.47,"end":91.68,"text":"Okay, boy."},{"start":91.7,"end":93.32,"text":"Good meeting this morning today."},{"start":98.46,"end":99.49,"text":"Okay."},{"start":99.51,"end":106.48,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Representative Leslie C. Arends to discuss the ongoing political pressure surrounding the Watergate scandal. Comparing his current personnel difficulties to President Eisenhower's dismissal of Sherman Adams, Nixon expressed his resolve in managing the crisis and his administration's staffing changes. The conversation focused on maintaining political support and addressing the contentious push from figures like Senator Charles Percy for the appointment of a special prosecutor.","topics":["Watergate","Special Prosecutor","Personnel Management","Congressional Relations","Dwight D. Eisenhower"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:49:48.544Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","special-prosecutor","personnel-management","congressional-relations","dwight-d-eisenhower"],"audioDurationSec":116,"audioFiles":[{"file":"433-016.mp3","bytes":3721216,"durationSec":116.2,"bitrate":256193,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.105Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:39.656Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/433-016.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-016","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/433/conversation-433-016","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}