{"conversationCode":"433-024","tapeNumber":433,"conversationNumber":24,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-433-024","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T18:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T18:52:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"2:51 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"2:52 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:51 pm to 2:52 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 433-024 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 433-24\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\nTime: 2:51 pm - 2:52 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 45-91]\n\f                                               -12-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["433-024.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"433-023","nextCode":"433-025","transcript":[{"start":1.97,"end":10.79,"text":"What has Garland done on that project?"},{"start":10.8,"end":25.45,"text":"Garland is to the point that the asshole hadn't had in the fact that the presidential papers belonged not to these people, but to me, that the National Security Congress belonged not to them, but to me."},{"start":26.01,"end":28.35,"text":"Does he understand it goddamn his soul or not?"},{"start":37.29,"end":41.88,"text":"the government and do that right away or goddamn it, I'll fire this whole fucking staff."},{"start":42.02,"end":42.64,"text":"Do you understand that?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to demand immediate progress on the legal assertion that presidential and National Security Council papers remain the property of the President rather than the government archives. Expressing intense frustration with the current staff's pace and efficacy, Nixon insisted that legal counsel Garland finalize this position immediately. He concluded by threatening to terminate the entire staff if his directive regarding the control of these records was not executed.","topics":["Presidential papers","National Security Council","Executive privilege","Staff management","Legal authority"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:50:33.715Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-papers","national-security-council","executive-privilege","staff-management","legal-authority"],"audioDurationSec":49,"audioFiles":[{"file":"433-024.mp3","bytes":1585152,"durationSec":49.43,"bitrate":256566,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.105Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:39.657Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/433-024.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-024","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/433/conversation-433-024","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}