{"conversationCode":"433-027","tapeNumber":433,"conversationNumber":27,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-433-027","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T18:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T19:01:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"2:59 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"3:01 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:59 pm to 3:01 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 433-027 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 433-27\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\nTime: 2:59 pm - 3:01 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\f                                            -13-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n[See Conversation No. 45-93]","filename":["433-027.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"433-026","nextCode":"433-028","transcript":[{"start":4.2,"end":11.09,"text":"What are the jackals after you this time about?"},{"start":13.89,"end":16.66,"text":"Investigations."},{"start":16.68,"end":16.78,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16.8,"end":20.6,"text":"And I shouldn't have put that out there, so I'm going to fire him tomorrow for that."},{"start":20.76,"end":25.19,"text":"That was a terrible thing for him to do, make them appear like criminals."},{"start":25.21,"end":31.68,"text":"I'm going to fire his ass up, believe me."},{"start":31.7,"end":32.84,"text":"He may be intended it that way."},{"start":33.29,"end":35.09,"text":"God damn his Jewish soul."},{"start":35.43,"end":35.88,"text":"Go ahead."},{"start":40.38,"end":41.12,"text":"Doesn't know."},{"start":50.51,"end":59.06,"text":"In the cabinet, will you very briefly, maybe no more than 20 minutes, and just say, the president just laid out the procedures, and we'll be following them."},{"start":59.08,"end":60.22,"text":"The two men have left, and that's all."},{"start":60.5,"end":61.38,"text":"Period."},{"start":61.4,"end":62.73,"text":"The attitude is very good."},{"start":63.01,"end":67.52,"text":"Is that clear?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discussed the intense scrutiny from the press and ongoing Watergate-related investigations. Ziegler expressed his intention to terminate a subordinate for unauthorized comments that portrayed certain individuals as criminals. Nixon directed Ziegler to brief the Cabinet briefly and strictly, emphasizing that the focus should remain solely on the departure of the two previously implicated men and the administration's established procedural response.","topics":["Watergate scandal","Press relations","Personnel decisions","Cabinet briefing","White House management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:50:50.204Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-scandal","press-relations","personnel-decisions","cabinet-briefing","white-house-management"],"audioDurationSec":73,"audioFiles":[{"file":"433-027.mp3","bytes":2328576,"durationSec":72.64,"bitrate":256451,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.105Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:39.658Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/433-027.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-027","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/433/conversation-433-027","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}