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Nixon & Rogers on David Packard and Conflict of interest

Tuesday, May 1, 1973 · 6:49 PM–6:51 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Rogers, William P.Conversation433-046 on Tape 433StartTuesday, May 1, 1973 at 6:49 PMEndTuesday, May 1, 1973 at 6:51 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 433-046 ↗

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President Nixon and Secretary of State William P. Rogers discuss the status of David Packard and potential strategies for addressing his outstanding stock holdings and political involvements. Nixon expresses frustration over Packard’s recent public statements and instructs that he must remain silent regarding sensitive political matters. To resolve the uncertainty, Nixon decides to contact Packard directly to invite him for a meeting to clarify his position and future role.

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Bill, I wondered how we have now left the Packard thing with all of our other things.
I didn't do that, but I don't know what I can tell him about the stock thing and so forth.
Do you think we could, do you have a feeling we can't work it out?
Don't you think he's the best man?
All right, I will make a call to him and ask him to come back and have a chat with me, how's that?
I can stay, you know, I... All set.
Yeah.
Fine, all right.
Fine.
Yeah.
I thought you should know, incidentally.
I got angry, and I wasn't intent to crack him.
I was just telling everybody to stay clear of any political accusations.
Because he's been, you know, a horse on a gun.
He's been out making statements both ways, and he's got to keep his damn mouth shut.
So I said, now look here, you stay out of this.
And he was fine.
Thank you.

NARA Description

On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:49 pm to 6:51 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 433-046 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 433-46

Date: May 1, 1973
Time: 6:49 pm - 6:51 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with William P. Rogers.

[See Conversation No. 45-108]

Also recorded on May 1, 1973

  • 433-044 6:45 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Robert H. Finch met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:45 pm to 6:47 pm.
  • 045-107 6:47 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:47 pm and 6:49 pm.
  • 433-045 6:47 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:47 pm and 6:49 pm.
  • 045-108 6:49 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:49 pm and 6:51 pm.
  • 045-109 6:51 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:51 pm and 6:53 pm.
  • 433-047 6:51 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:51 pm and 6:53 pm.
  • 045-110 6:53 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and David Packard talked on the telephone from 6:53 pm to 6:55 pm.
  • 433-048 6:53 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and David Packard met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:53 pm to 6:55 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 433-046, May 1, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-046 (accessed October 5, 2026).