{"conversationCode":"433-046","tapeNumber":433,"conversationNumber":46,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-433-046","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T22:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T22:51:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"6:49 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"6:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rogers, William P.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:49 pm to 6:51 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 433-046 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 433-46\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\nTime: 6:49 pm - 6:51 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with William P. Rogers.\n\n[See Conversation No. 45-108]","filename":["433-046.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rogers, William P."],"prevCode":"433-045","nextCode":"433-047","transcript":[{"start":0.35,"end":11.08,"text":"Bill, I wondered how we have now left the Packard thing with all of our other things."},{"start":11.1,"end":22.56,"text":"I didn't do that, but I don't know what I can tell him about the stock thing and so forth."},{"start":22.58,"end":26.72,"text":"Do you think we could, do you have a feeling we can't work it out?"},{"start":26.74,"end":28.18,"text":"Don't you think he's the best man?"},{"start":29.04,"end":53.27,"text":"All right, I will make a call to him and ask him to come back and have a chat with me, how's that?"},{"start":53.29,"end":53.99,"text":"I can stay, you know, I... All set."},{"start":54.01,"end":54.11,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":54.13,"end":54.45,"text":"Fine, all right."},{"start":54.47,"end":54.57,"text":"Fine."},{"start":54.59,"end":54.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":55.23,"end":57.17,"text":"I thought you should know, incidentally."},{"start":57.43,"end":59.8,"text":"I got angry, and I wasn't intent to crack him."},{"start":59.82,"end":62.94,"text":"I was just telling everybody to stay clear of any political accusations."},{"start":63.72,"end":65.99,"text":"Because he's been, you know, a horse on a gun."},{"start":66.01,"end":70.47,"text":"He's been out making statements both ways, and he's got to keep his damn mouth shut."},{"start":70.49,"end":72.88,"text":"So I said, now look here, you stay out of this."},{"start":72.9,"end":75.8,"text":"And he was fine."},{"start":75.82,"end":76.02,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Secretary of State William P. Rogers discuss the status of David Packard and potential strategies for addressing his outstanding stock holdings and political involvements. Nixon expresses frustration over Packard’s recent public statements and instructs that he must remain silent regarding sensitive political matters. To resolve the uncertainty, Nixon decides to contact Packard directly to invite him for a meeting to clarify his position and future role.","topics":["David Packard","Conflict of interest","Stock holdings","Political strategy","Executive communication"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:52:35.676Z"},"topicSlugs":["david-packard","conflict-of-interest","stock-holdings","political-strategy","executive-communication"],"audioDurationSec":84,"audioFiles":[{"file":"433-046.mp3","bytes":2693120,"durationSec":84.01,"bitrate":256446,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.424Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/433-046.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-046","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/433/conversation-433-046","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}