{"conversationCode":"433-048","tapeNumber":433,"conversationNumber":48,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-433-048","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T22:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T22:55:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"6:53 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"6:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Packard, David;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and David Packard met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:53 pm to 6:55 pm. 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(President)","Packard, David"],"prevCode":"433-047","nextCode":"433-049","transcript":[{"start":0.4,"end":0.84,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.92,"end":3.04,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":4.71,"end":5.13,"text":"Dave?"},{"start":7.43,"end":8.43,"text":"Hope you're feeling well."},{"start":13.92,"end":15.54,"text":"Well, don't worry about sympathy now."},{"start":15.62,"end":20.29,"text":"You know, we've been in battles before, Dave, and what you do is win them."},{"start":22.37,"end":22.87,"text":"Got a bite?"},{"start":24.77,"end":26.71,"text":"Well, it was very hard to have to call Bob"},{"start":27.39,"end":32.27,"text":"Bob and John, who you know yourself as wonderful guys, but they had to go, don't you agree?"},{"start":36.7,"end":53.07,"text":"Dave, Bill has talked to you, and I wanted to talk to you quite directly, and I know this is a terribly, terribly difficult thing for you to consider, but would you mind coming back and chatting with me about it at least on Thursday or Wednesday?"},{"start":55.82,"end":58.02,"text":"When could you come in?"},{"start":58.04,"end":70.88,"text":"I was planning to leave Thursday at noon, but... Fine."},{"start":70.9,"end":71.58,"text":"Let me tell you this."},{"start":71.6,"end":74.36,"text":"Let me ask you this."},{"start":74.48,"end":80.19,"text":"Perhaps, would you mind having breakfast with me Thursday morning?"},{"start":80.49,"end":81.65,"text":"That wouldn't..."},{"start":81.67,"end":82.77,"text":"I don't want any inconveniences."},{"start":82.93,"end":84.06,"text":"I read I had a terrible day yesterday."},{"start":87.16,"end":92.58,"text":"Then what have you thought of the record?"},{"start":92.6,"end":96.09,"text":"Why don't we just say that we'll get together at 9 o'clock."},{"start":96.11,"end":96.49,"text":"How's that?"},{"start":97.87,"end":99.57,"text":"And that gets you a chance to sleep in."},{"start":100.41,"end":101.69,"text":"I appreciate it."},{"start":101.71,"end":108.58,"text":"Bill has talked to Dennis, Hainesville, Mahon on a very private basis."},{"start":108.86,"end":111.84,"text":"And they're all terribly enthusiastic on this whole thing."},{"start":111.86,"end":114,"text":"And you and I can work something out."},{"start":114.02,"end":115.48,"text":"So get on with this stuff."},{"start":115.5,"end":116.19,"text":"That's all right."},{"start":120.47,"end":132.77,"text":"going to take a birth but i wanted you to know that we have done some preliminary things and when you and i will chat about it i would love to talk to you nine o'clock thursday thank you"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon held a brief introductory conversation with David Packard to discuss the recent resignations of H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman amid the deepening Watergate scandal. Seeking to leverage Packard's experience, Nixon requested a follow-up meeting to gauge Packard's interest in returning to government service. They scheduled a breakfast meeting for the following Thursday to discuss the potential appointment further, noting that key congressional figures had already expressed enthusiasm for the prospect.","topics":["Watergate scandal","Personnel changes","David Packard","Cabinet appointments","Government administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:52:46.637Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-scandal","personnel-changes","david-packard","cabinet-appointments","government-administration"],"audioDurationSec":141,"audioFiles":[{"file":"433-048.mp3","bytes":4509696,"durationSec":140.79,"bitrate":256256,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.738Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:39.662Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/433-048.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-048","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/433/conversation-433-048","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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