Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 433-056
Date: Tuesday, May 1, 1973 at 7:15 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Baroody, William J., Jr.; White House operator
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-056

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[0:00] Come in, though.
[0:01] How's your morale, boy?
[0:05] It's, uh, very good, sir.
[0:08] Thank you.
[0:08] Good.
[0:09] Uh, what about your team?
[0:13] You got them up?
[0:15] Uh, yes, sir.
[0:17] I think so.
[0:18] It's, uh, not a very large team.
[0:21] I don't know.
[0:21] I don't know.
[0:21] You had to cut it back.
[0:24] That's right.
[0:25] Cut it back.
[0:25] Yes, sir.
[0:25] Uh, I did talk to the...
[0:26] Indicators that, to Nick Howard's point, I think he's come to the conclusion that it might be wise to overdo it.
[0:48] I mean, if he's going to go there, he'll just be charged.
[0:49] Right, and he tied in with Chuck, with Chuck and the whole operation.
[1:00] I was going off to talk to Chuck about this.
[1:21] It's a tough deal, but you understand.
[1:22] I want him to go.
[1:22] I want him to go.
[1:23] I'm afraid of my people right now.
[1:23] You've got no problem.
[1:24] Thank God you came.
[1:24] You generated some support.
[1:25] What the hell is wrong with that?
[1:26] We've got them out here.
[1:26] That's our job.
[1:26] As you know, that's it.
[1:28] Well, I do have a problem because I, as you know, didn't work with Chuck for some extent.
[1:51] He was in the medicine for sure.
[1:51] I mean, and it's all about, I mean, it's just that, or I, you know, I'll make a case, I think, any time.
[1:54] It's making information where I can develop an account, you know, to be strong and all the rest.
[1:55] You know, you're a fighter, as a fighter, you're a fighter, you've got to be a fighter.
[1:57] Any, um, already, uh,
[1:59] I don't say it critically.
[2:25] You've been able to get some reactions to the talk and so forth from your colleagues.
[2:40] You don't want to generate, you know, like, do I?
[2:41] No, we generated wires.
[2:42] We're good enough anyway.
[2:42] But, no, that's what I thought.
[2:43] I have done...
[2:44] Your ethics, to the ethics, in fact, Mayor Rizzo, I just want to give a very strong statement.
[3:07] We expect the Democrats, the governors, the Republicans, not trying to pick up their smarty pants.
[3:09] Just keep the Rizzo's and the rest fighting for us.
[3:10] Anybody like that should be alright.
[3:11] Yes, sir.
[3:11] The various, uh, I have to admit, there's been some, I think, several statements from you over the next several days.
[3:32] Uh, I talked to my friends over at the Jamie on this conference.
[3:34] They mentioned that, you know, they wrote their, uh, all of the state dinners, you know, last night, and they, and several of them, they, uh, wrote the program with you on TV, and then, you know, there's several reports I got, they all, you know, standing away from me.
[3:39] Oh, no.
[3:49] Let it go.
[3:55] I'll call it tomorrow.
[3:58] All right.
[3:58] Thank you.
[3:59] On that specific point in terms of the chamber of law.
[4:02] Yes, sir.
[4:02] That's good.
[4:02] In fact, I got that also in talking to the National Committee and getting some requests from around the country.
[4:08] Yeah, Jan Johnson went down to Buckle's house, put in Jan Johnson, and in particular, Buckle shouldn't say anything.
[4:23] They broke up.
[4:23] She held out her speech.
[4:23] They watched, and that was the immediate reaction.
[4:25] Following that with, I'm sure you saw the commentary afterwards.
[4:47] So, I'm getting some mixed, if you're not familiar with me, quite honestly, that's a weak, quite bad company.
[4:50] But we're getting some, it's not just the presser, Carl Curtis, up there today, and Buckley on their resolution with a special presser too.
[4:54] Buckley's for a resolution for special prosecution.
[5:14] Well, more than Buckley.
[5:14] He was one of the original sponsors.
[5:15] I think Barry was too, but kind of shook me a little bit.
[5:16] I mean, you know, coming that strong right after that.
[5:17] Right.
[5:18] There was a thought that I kind of cranked in through Dave over the past couple weeks that the possibility of swearing is one way of getting additional evidence and so on.
[5:45] As if we had swearing in certain ways.
[5:47] for like some appropriate, uh, rewards.
[5:59] Uh, anything of all these, of all these people?
[6:01] Not right now.
[6:02] I think, I think right now it would look like we were reaching.
[6:06] I, I, at a later time, maybe, uh, maybe, maybe, I'm not sure, but let's, let's not reach at the moment.
[6:11] This is the time, you know, to sit there and get this standing and don't think Washington's going to quit their country, uh, theater, or whatever.
[6:14] Especially across the country.
[6:15] How many were on it?
[6:16] Uh, originally there were about 15 senators, I guess so.
[6:34] That's right, that's right.
[6:35] What do you mean by that?
[6:37] It did pass.
[6:37] It passed the Senate.
[6:38] The Senate of the Senate of the Revolution, I'm not talking about the Senate of the Senate of the Senate of the Senate of the Senate of the Senate of the Senate of the Senate of the Senate of the
[6:45] It's a very delicate thing in terms of our going out and talking to, we've done this today, we've talked to specific people that we know we can, I've had Colin Moore, my brother, I'm checking in with him now, he's a very fine guy, he just happened to be elected.
[7:12] To re-elect him, he turned out to be the first white outstaffed man when he was called for a candidacy.
[7:15] He was there when the lady came and went up and I couldn't see the place.
[7:36] He's apparently in good shape the whole time.
[7:40] Yeah.
[7:40] I think there should be no problem.
[7:41] I just want to check that out.
[7:41] We have to move anybody but the very discreetly and quietly and so forth.
[7:43] Not with the new plan there.
[7:44] Not a great number of people.
[7:44] Other than that.
[7:51] Uh.
[7:55] Right.