{"conversationCode":"433-059","tapeNumber":433,"conversationNumber":59,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-433-059","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T23:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T23:22:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"7:19 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"7:22 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rogers, William P.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 7:19 pm to 7:22 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 433-059 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 433-59\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\nTime: 7:19 pm - 7:22 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with William P. Rogers.\n\n[See Conversation No. 45-119]","filename":["433-059.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rogers, William P."],"prevCode":"433-058","nextCode":"433-060","transcript":[{"start":0.27,"end":0.59,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.77,"end":4.95,"text":"Oh, Bill, just get your judgment before I give Elliot a call."},{"start":5.53,"end":10.33,"text":"You know, with regard to this sort of sense of the Senate resolution about a special prosecutor."},{"start":13.85,"end":26.78,"text":"I mean, you know, I told him he could do what he wanted, but I thought he is the problem."},{"start":26.8,"end":27.14,"text":"He is it himself."},{"start":27.16,"end":29.61,"text":"But do you think he should simply say that he plans to once the grand jury finishes or what's your advice that I tell him?"},{"start":29.63,"end":29.89,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":29.91,"end":30.61,"text":"I don't want to tell him until I..."},{"start":32.92,"end":55.33,"text":"couldn't rush into that because basically you know we know the problem especially prosecutor it is the question of the uh trying to get justice done good"},{"start":61.47,"end":64.72,"text":"It attacks the new attorney general."},{"start":64.76,"end":66.67,"text":"That's why the hell we appointed him, Bill."},{"start":68.12,"end":68.48,"text":"All right."},{"start":68.5,"end":69.62,"text":"Well, we're not worried about it."},{"start":69.64,"end":71.99,"text":"Just one round in the battle, right?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted Secretary of State William P. Rogers regarding the political pressure to appoint a special prosecutor for the Watergate investigation. Nixon expressed concern over how to advise incoming Attorney General Elliot Richardson on handling the potential Senate resolution. The two agreed to approach the issue cautiously, viewing the push for a special prosecutor as a tactical challenge to the administration’s authority.","topics":["Watergate scandal","Special prosecutor","Elliot Richardson","Senate relations","Department of Justice"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:53:45.105Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-scandal","special-prosecutor","elliot-richardson","senate-relations","department-of-justice"],"audioDurationSec":80,"audioFiles":[{"file":"433-059.mp3","bytes":2572288,"durationSec":80.25,"bitrate":256416,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/433-059.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/433-059","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/433/conversation-433-059","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}