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I think it's very hard for anybody in this case, anybody by himself, lawyers.

Tell me, you say that Bob's lawyer felt that something, whatever it was, Bob showed him and was very friendly to Bob.

Yes.

He said he had run down the street that day and got into the hands of the court.

That's what he quoted.

But I, at this point, sure, I, but what was it?

He said that it was something in a four-page extract or a four-page document that he had read.

And it was an allegedly news discussion.

It was made.

And it would be an interview, but I played it, and I believe he asked for it.

See, what I would do is I would

What that may have been was a bottle of dextrose, but that March 21st conversation was relevant.

And his lawyer said he would have run down the street with him.

That's the way to close it.

Now, there's one thing I can't discount from these guys.

I've been hungry to find out what the hell's going on.

Well-motivated, but also, perhaps, just positively.

I mean, I have confidence in you and Jackie, though.

We're flying in the air again, I mean, that's for sure.

I mean, it's very concerning, isn't it?

But your cats are adorable to me.

They are.

I know everything.

And it's raining.

And that's, you know, it's aiding the things to accommodate it for it.

And you ought to resign.

It's very manageable, and it's a tough one.

It's tough.

It's tough like this all the time.

We're going to ask about that for a big time right now.

I guess we're all sick.

All right.

How are you?

Well, we had another problem here.

Your guy told Norman Chapman that there was a four-pager, a four-page extract of the document that he had seen.

I don't either.

Yeah, you know, something that viewers, something that viewers, you know, you hear given to a rich young man.

You know what it is?

It's the 21st.

Hold on one second, please.

Bob, on the 21st, Mr. President, why don't you just tell me how you feel today?

Well, what the, you know, I haven't done much here.

I haven't done much of this at all, but... Yeah, I'm on the 21st machine, you know.

Yeah, I'm sitting on this thing.

Right, right.

Okay, well...

There you go.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

I see.

OK. Great.

Sure.

OK.

Oh, they were trying to shake up.

Uh-huh.

I got you.

I got you now.

Right, exactly.

Good, okay.

That's the radio.

Right, okay.

These guys were saying this today.

Tom's lawyer was trying to get... Just trying to get Lazard and Garvin frightened because Garvin said, we think we are a little bit of a privilege.

So they said, you know, they were telling him.

Very nice.

Bob said that his lawyer doesn't know about the discussion on the 21st.

His lawyer doesn't know.

And the document his lawyer was referring to, it was very damaging, was a summary of a telephone conversation from Dean at Camp David to Bob in Key Viscayne on the 27th.

And that was the... Is that right?

Yes, but they over...

They were exaggerating in order to keep Glenn Godwin from lifting executive privilege.

And what it was about, he said, he said it was a summary of his report.

He was talking about his report and his view of the situation.

Well, Bob understands, though.

I want you to be sure that he understands that the 21st conversation is one that can be explained.

He said it would be difficult.

That's what I mean.

You want me to hear the way it comes out?

How else was it going to get the facts out?

You know, I just sort of danced that kind of thing.

I think I know.

They told me twice now.

I know.

I've tried.

I just don't think it's unmanageable in any way.

Depends on who tries to manage the savings.

That's right.

Right.

Daniel said, the way that he saved $120,000, brother, he said, well, you get that.

How much did he take for four years?

They've been talking about giving, you know, somebody's been talking about giving for Christmas.

Bullshit.

Nobody ever discussed it today.

The guy that began to angsty that he was playing with a water heater.

Not the heater.

But Bob said what was involved was his water and his gear.

And a document he referred to, he was on the 23rd or 26th, said, Tony, break down any confidence in Bob.

And Bob said he had a good breakdown.

He said his lawyers didn't.

They just don't trust him.

And that's bad.

Put in front of us some other people who can work on public relations aspects.

I don't know, you know what I mean.

Buzzard is better than I am.

What I understand is that maybe one man doesn't be on this garbage, the council or the...

You understand?

I think there's enough work there that we have to do some things.

All I want to be the man that holds the information properly, that makes the basic judgments, which we're going to have to make a few of, and certainly have to decide on what to do about the Senate next Thursday.

We've got to get that action blocked.

and if we were going to have to get some work done on the heel, I'd like to tell Bernard to go up and have his discussion with Stennis, and then come back and give us some assessment.

Five percent is what we need to be able to do now.

And maybe two or three other guys we should talk to.

I don't know whether, I don't see how Stennis can do it for the reason that Stennis is not on Earth, and many of you see,

Hey, really?

So instead of talking to her, you're not leaving?

I think so.

I'll have to get his strategies detailed for her and why he did this.

He generally knows what he's talking about.

He wants to take this on, because he apparently talked to me about it, though, and it hadn't been long.

You know, he's dedicated to you, Stephanie.

I know, I'm dedicated.

I, uh, I talked to him about it two or three times, and he didn't tell me that's all I had to hear.

Yeah.

Well, should we get a bizarre launch tomorrow, then, on that project?

I think we should.

That's, we've got ten stations on that, okay?

Yeah.

Yeah, well, let's put Bazaar, let's put Coro Locus, and everybody concerned that these hearings have to be... What argument do you make about those points?

Because it's not even... We're in the process of judging.

The goddamn committee first insisted that we appointed a special prosecutor.

We sit down and appoint a special prosecutor.

We're in the process of doing it.

No sooner did we start that than we researched the whole goddamn thing and made this.

past before he even takes it on, an impossible one, by conducting a television service.

At the risk of the witnesses, the facts, we've got to fight to hear it.

And if we don't, we'll fight it.

By fighting it, if we lose, we will go to this criminal.

That's right.

It will all come out just that way.

But I think we need

I did some good stuff.

And then I went and got over here to look at the picture of Monty Cedric on that documentary.

And I did damn well to do it.

You know, things like that.

And I'd be driving up the wall and, you know, I'd vomit sometimes or something like that.

And I couldn't even see them.

Oh, I...

He says he does not have a...

He doesn't have his paper cup, so I know I don't.

He said he had some ex-friends.

And...

realize today you're going to get them back right away.

It's going to be a good testimony.

So I can see he learned something today, too.

Yeah.

He can't risk having any papers.

No.

That he doesn't want to just be able to hand over.

That's right.

Because we have exerted courage on papers.

We went there.

We controlled.

And I think we should have.

I do, too.

I already do.

I don't believe there.

I don't mind because I've been over papers and all things of that sort.

I mean, I'll give you what's

Either that or talking to Bob.

I think so.

Because Bob, look, let me say this.

You won't know how to frame Bob's conversation being like that.

I just don't do it.

I don't think it's a good idea.

What I had hoped to do was to have Bob talk to this guy, Bazaar, and Bob's lawyer talk to him, and let them build some confidence that we've got a man here who's not a self-server.

He wasn't the whole time, but I see I called him.

I mean,

And he started kind of supposed to tell me the story.

It's an interesting thing.

Nick Marbury kind of last night said that I had kept insisting for a dean report.

And Nick said, they told me that he had had Dean call me Sunday night.

Said, look, I would like to see you tomorrow.

There's some things about this case.

And Nick said, so Dean had sort of confided in him, you know, you know, what the president realizes, a lot of things are involved in this case.

Because we had been talking about it.

The whole question of getting the Segretti story out, and getting the Pollock report out, and a lot of other crap like that.

So he came in on his own initiative at 10 o'clock.

And that's when he made his famous, what he calls his answer in the heart of the presidency talk, which was a very responsible thing to do.

A very responsible thing to do.

And the course of that talk, as an illustration, he used a bit of a thing.

That was how that all came.

And a bit of a discussion, however.

It had nothing to do with action.

What I meant is we didn't trigger anything.

I mean, we did not do anything.

I mean, we discussed it out.

That was all.

There was purely a discussion.

And it proved the insanity of what they'd been doing to me and the necessity for what they were trying to do.

That was all.

That's manageable, provided Bob tells the story.

I think it's best if Bob told the story, rather than to have a paper that even bizarre to see.

You see what I mean?

There's the thing that I'm concerned about.

I think I would, I have no objection.

I think Bob and I could sit down and talk about it, and try to reconstruct it, and think what it really was.

I think that's the thing.

Right.

Yeah.

I'll tell you what.

We've got the cabin tomorrow.

But any time that we can, we ought to try to see what's ours.

And what do you want me to tell them?

Well, really, let us all hear.

We're going to count on you.

guidance all the way through this, I also would like to have a good talk with Bob Hall.

That's right.

And a good talk with John.

That's it.

They're amazing.

You see, we need somebody who is, what you're talking about here, we need somebody who is the President's lawyer.

Isn't that what you said?

Yeah.

If an error, if a push ever came to show a fine point, it's got to be done.

or all of them cancels out.

It has to be mine.

In other words, if, for example, a client finds a delivery document, is or is not turned over.

And whether it's a client who's turned over and made your order, or not, or all of them.

We never turn it over.

I understand what you mean.

I hope it never comes to that.

I do, too.

I think our interests are generally very, very complementary, especially less so with young friends.

That's true.

But that other side of the case, I think.

in Ellsberg.

That's, you know, it's bad, but it's already... What he did in Ellsberg?

Yeah, Ellsberg.

Oh, the burglary, the plumbery, the plumbery thing is basically something that is, they're not going to have a say, they're not going to have a say on anybody on that.

You know, it's just embarrassing.

What is embarrassing to him is this case, he has to go to the law office.

You know, those cases.

One is that he was present at the time that the documents were handed over to Gray on sale, right?

And Dean's story was that early on he said that they thought that Dean's story was not backed up.

Gray said that Dean tried to claim that early on.

He said that early on he denies that.

So that's, in any event, they gave him to Gray.

It was great error that Erleman came to survive that.

And to give to the director of the FBI, according to other things, that Erleman, and Holliman as well, at the request of John Mitchell, which was related to me, right after the burglars got in, called Kambach in California.

who does special fundraisers, and authorized him to raise some money for the attorney's fees.

Now that also, in my opinion, was manageable.

At that stage, and that was very early, if you understand what I'm saying.

Excellent.

That wasn't, that was before there was no question of it.

It hasn't been quiet or anything like that.

It was just raising money for it.

That is early.

It was totally involved in the water case, in my opinion, as far as...

That's right.

That's about all of it.

Let's see.

There's a package in there with the... Yeah, I scanned it.

I saw about 14 pages of paper.

Who did it?

Good.

Yes.

That's the report that Bob turned over to the manager.

Bob or John?

I mean John.

Excuse me, John.

Yeah.

And that's what he... Is that what he recounted in his report?

Well, he recounted the count by...

He never gave me his report in writing.

He only had written notes.

He gave them to me orally.

These are handwritten, yellow piece of paper, about eight pages.

About three weeks after the 21st, you see, Dean couldn't write a report, and I was in California, and I said, John, you've got to get into this goddamn thing, and get to the bottom of it.

And the 15th of April, John had his shit reported.

And that was the time that they came to the wire, and that was the time that Reuter finally went in and decided to talk.

And that broke the case down.

But we helped break it, actually.

I mean, we were asking so many questions.

You see, that's the point.

Because he questioned Magruder.

He questioned Mitchell.

That's what he was reported to, if you know what I mean, because he mentioned that job.

I didn't see that part.

They just turned over a couple pages and said, look, this is damaging to the guys below John.

But John looks like it's very manageable.

And that's good for them.

But they didn't know that he had even turned that report over to the grand jury.

Who did it?

Len.

Len didn't know.

Well, it was good that he did one.

I think it was ideal.

That's exactly what he should have done.

It helped him.

And that whole issue now is, you know, for sure.

There was a reporting presidency involved in that.

Well, the point was that

This is a report that was made for the president at the president's request when he turned it over to the grand jury.

So at least we've done our part in the investigating process to examine it.

Overall, I'll talk bizarrely tonight about the strategy for the Senate.

And we got in touch, well, we'll wait until we talk to Bob tomorrow, but we already had him again in touch with Bob, so we're private.

Yeah.

And with Bob, private.

So we build a bridge here, and they have confidence in it.

And at the same time, they took some of the documents.

What do you, don't you think it would be well if perhaps I had a little talk with Bob alone?

Yes, sir.

Perfect.

And I'll get you in.

Because Bob, uh, he deserves that, you know what I mean?

I don't want to talk to John.

John is on his own now.

He's got this, you know, fight or battle up.

See, Bob, Bob took the resignation thing for your information.

You know, he took it hard, but he took it well.

John...

Well, they're both fine men.

They're splendid men.

But John just felt he wasn't, frankly.

You know, he just felt down there and not guilty of anything.

I don't understand that, but he would have killed an infected man.

He would have killed her.

It's just like Kelly Richardson.

If he loses this battle and becomes attorney general, he can't be secretary of defense.

He would have been voted on conference.

Now, that's not going to happen.

But that's the kind of thing that a man, plus John's name, he got dragged into that thing.

And it was easy like that.

And some involvement.

You know, just think of how things are going around here.

How it wasn't just a hell of a czar.

It wasn't a czar.

It was a speaker state.

Now here we were all for a half an hour here.

You and I.

He stirred up the worry of Christ Almighty about something.

And God damn it, it was quite a misunderstanding.

Which, uh, a contrived misunderstanding.

Yeah, which is, like, where it does work.

Except by Bob Hoyer.

That's right.

You mean the fact that he didn't trust Glenn and was saying that Bob had all of his papers.

Well, for Christ's sake, by saying that, he immediately said that.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, he noticed that, yeah.

They're worried about you and your papers.

And Bob told you flatly he did not have his papers ready.

He told me flatly.

And he said what he did had me get the hell back in here.

Yes, sir.

A small thing.

As far as John is concerned, has John finished his grand jury for the meeting or not?

I don't know, sir.

I like him.

No, don't ask.

I bet I have to give him a little more careful thought.

Yeah, I'll go to him.

You know what I mean?

But I don't want to ask Kathy if she's going to come and talk to me about this.

I don't want him to get in through anything.

I understand.

I want you to go and face Bob.

I absolutely totally understand.

Great conference.

I know you know more than I do.

That's why we'll take him tonight.

Want to bring him over now?

I don't want to lose her.

She might get frustrated, but we'll work on it.

Yeah.

Talk to her.

What do you want me to do?

Hello?

Yeah, Brad?

Do you know who the president of the OV office is?

Second floor?

Yeah.

How do I contact him?

I just said that I wanted to do this, but let me say this, that I do not believe in reflection.

That I should have him, even him, all through Bob's notes.

I'm not even sure why you'd do that.

I don't want to, you know what I mean?

I would just assume that there's not any sense of guilt, but there's always the chance of misinterpretation.

When you're not there, and hear the inflections, or what has gone before, or what the hell you're moving up to, I can assure you that your clients, I just want you to know that.

I just don't think it's a good idea.

That's the judgment that you're making.

I would never want to do it.

But I know that there's a lot of people who do it.

I think that's been

I talked to Bob.

That's good enough.

Because he won't get any surprises out of Bob.

Trust him on anything.

Anything else you come up with, we can cope with it.

You know, I'm surprised Bob mentioned the conversation with Dean by the moment on the 26th of March.

That was five days after.

He was up coming for his report, right?

He was up coming

Let me say that I am really delighted that you all have come over and tried to work on this very complicated case.

It's complicated, but the main thing you have to do is to have let go of the hell

But I have confidence in your client.

And I just want you to know, I didn't know anything about goddamn Watergate.

And as far as the so-called, the whole business payments and all that crap, there's concern.

It was in March when I finally got a window on March 21st.

A full load started in the line of investigation.

That's it.

On the other hand, as I said in my Google Radio talk the other day, I take responsibility for it because I, after all, I believe God.

And I don't think they're guilty.

But I think that they may have been caught up in it.

by a tangential way, which may get them in this very mushy area of conspiracy or destructive justice, even though it's very broad and hard to prove.

It's hard to prove, I understand.

But nevertheless, the possibility of a fight is probably

As a matter of fact, I've been curious which way the white people are going to go through it.

They'd probably be better if they were both indicted.

This is the problem.

Because they are.

I don't mean that they're working with the same people.

I'm not going to say that they're both indicted.

But the point is that if they are indicted, they're going to say that they've got it at home.

It's quite, let's just say, without question, just because we're talking to one another, so it's a very cool thing that we have seen the company so extensively.

The report that we made and the help that we sent to various people during this investigation might be helpful.

I can give that to the jury.

and to the Senate committee.

Well, we gave it to the Senate committee, and it was the Senate committee vote.

And, uh, I'll change it to Senator Dyer's vote.

Now it's our turn for a little short, for a little short of them.

And that will be a very damning doubt.

For what?

It will be a very damning doubt.

Like for a, for a little short of Erlich and O'Connor, or Dean Mitchell, or Rubin, or one of the others.

Well, some of the people

He repeatedly told the disinvolved, the people who got in on him, that he was making witnesses for others, making notes of what other people wrote.

But some of those people were in the meetings.

It's not clear which from those documents that he, uh, that he said they don't, they're not consistent about his prior approval.

There's no prior approval.

There's no question from those documents that all witnesses agree.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I think he reacted to the fact that he was involved.

They all involved in coming to Greece, but the funds didn't.

Well, the question there, let me ask you this, if the funds are with foreign purpose, as they were at a very early time,

uh, this is like what all of them heard, both, uh, through a cop-out, through something that they didn't tell me, so that way I would approve, and they'd ask, but they didn't, because I never, I had a rule that if I ever discussed money here, I can't do it.

That's a damn good thing, at this point.

But anyway, uh, that, that kind of activity is not in itself a crime, no crime, but you get to the point

or try to keep on pushing, or try to keep on dropping, dropping, dropping.

That's where the obstruction comes in.

You have to prove the obstruction.

And that will be very difficult.

It's going to be difficult, even as to me,

because it is going to be difficult to prove the simple reason that you're going to have to prove that when he approved the money he did in fact say that they could get the man to be quiet and remember that's that's going to be very difficult to do because most of the elements is hearsay to somebody down the line and i doubt it was ever really

Well, what I'd like to do, Greg, is to do with you is this.

And we've got a lot of very good people around here.

I want to be sure to get more of you today.

It's all good.

Did you see any problem there?

The fact that he's a potential witness?

Yes, he sort of excused himself from certain things.

Other things he can do very well.

The VR side, yes.

The VR side, right.

He's guilty as hell, I'm sure.

But on the other hand, he'll be a witness.

He's not a target.

That's what Peterson told me the last time I saw him.

The point that I was going to make is this.

What we need, what I need, is others fighting for president and so forth and so on.

And now I believe that what I need is one man to replace the good man for president.

And I think that's it.

And I would like for you, in that connection, sometime maybe tomorrow or the next day, to have a good talk with Bob Hall.

I will ask you to talk very frankly with me

Now I want to talk a bit about the paper situation over here, which I didn't write about a lot.

Now, we can't believe what they want to do here in the Department's office, but here's what happened.

Paul doesn't have his papers out.

And what he did have was an extract, apparently, of something.

He must have written something.

He may have written something out.

I mean, they just don't like the way they do telephone conversations.

But his lawyers were so outraged at the proposal that they told one walker after the other

Well, that's amazing.

I see the problem.

You know, we were badly misled.

I think I'll be here 20 minutes before that.

Here's the problem.

Wilson probably is a real guy and a very good life off.

Wilson does not trust Glenn.

Part of the reason for that is that maybe I'm Jewish, though I don't know if you can trust me or not.

I don't understand.

So you can get it.

with the proposition of mutual trust.

It's unbelievable.

We've had this throughout now.

Because it's never going to end.

It's never going to end.

Every time, it's going to be very difficult.

Well, I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a difference in the law that's set in the will of Wilson, especially in the case of Wilson and May.

My name is Wilson.

That's my name.

For that reason, I think it's very important to have Lynn at the general counsel board.

I mean, right where he is.

you know, doing the various things, because he can work with the urban committee and all that sort of thing.

But I think that what my friends are, I want you to basically personally complement your role that we have to have.

All the papers.

I have a very strong feeling about that.

Not because I am concerned about, I mean, I think everybody sees it in its entirety as well.

Because if you start panning through the notes that Paul made, or that Hayden made, let alone him and Justin, and I talked to him, it will be an unbelievable mess.

I don't care how terribly they're gone through.

Now, all of them, as I understand it, Al is going to have everything back in his White House.

Correct?

Yes, sir.

He said no more of it.

little fourth page summary.

That's all right.

Maybe he has his money in the bank.

I think it would be better if he got that back.

I don't think he has the summary for the first page.

They apparently didn't get him in the bank.

Thank God.

And they won't get him for a month.

That's right.

They have John Olin who thinks he's through.

Sir, I think Bob should have the stuff back in here where it's in your custody.

So he has the problem of access, but if it arises in our territory, then your executive privilege means something because it's in your possession.

Well, let me say this.

If it's here, Bob has a perfect right to come here at any time.

After all, he can come in and look at his papers.

Do you understand that?

Right.

Right?

And so has John.

He's been doing it.

And Dean has been doing it.

And not going in.

No.

But that's what we'll do then.

Bob understood that, that he was to get his summary back here, too.

Even though that paper itself

But what I want to do is I don't mind getting involved.

You can't.

We're not going to hide anything.

But I don't want it in too damn formal.

But what I mean is here, on the terms of papers, I think we simply have to say that the president will take them.

Those are perfect.

I mean, they are not hopeless.

They're fine.

There's another reason for that, too.

All the help that I can bring.

For example, there was an investigation in Pakistan.

I have that sometimes.

If you know how all the details of it, if you know where it goes.

Well, and we cannot allow that to get out.

We never wrote a report.

Well, it's simple.

I got it.

That's my point.

It is insane to see out.

And that we cannot break on the ground.

So you go on the paper and say, I want you to know that I just haven't.

That's the one line where I don't care if a freshman says I'm hiding everything.

God damn, I don't have the right to say anything.

That program, can you accept that?

Yes, sir.

No question.

My problem is not

I think the discussion with Bob would be very useful before we come to a conclusion on the oral conversation or whether we can put it in a written form.

It may be that we'll have to discuss in terms of some discretionary rule with him understanding the areas.

Yeah.

Yeah, because we won't.

How did John, the way that John handled his problem of oral conversation, so he didn't have as many lessons to do.

John took this question and he took it as perfectly clear.

He was in doubt.

with the committee that Bob took it further and did not only have a conversation with you, but those where he considered himself a kind of individual, he also took it further.

That will undoubtedly be a great problem for the committee.

That brings us to the next question.

is how to deal with any problems.

That is the question.

We talked about that, Fred, and I thoroughly, I mean, your idea of talking to Stannis feels very much.

I admit.

But what the hell could that do, Stannis, if not on the committee?

Say, I talked to Stannis last Thursday morning.

He wanted to talk to me.

Yeah, let me be very frank.

My brother, I would be willing to come help you.

Very special.

We're going to have a more dedicated support.

There's no more dedicated support.

And he was very upset about the Ford problem.

I've been very close to him.

We've worked closely together for the last four years.

We did work.

Not always the closest, but work.

But he is prepared, I'm quite sure.

great lengths for any thought to be viewed.

He would not like to go back on a small issue.

He would not like to go back on a budgetary problem or something of that kind.

But on major policy issues, he would become very active, even at this stage.

Now, some of this is history at the Senate.

And that's not which way to look at it.

They call it the

conscience of the Senate.

Others call him the Undertaker, depending on which way you look at it.

But he has handled almost all of their major problems in the Senate.

He's the one voice for their own protection.

They've never been in a position to question him when it came to what was the right thing to do for the Senate.

himself as a party to questions of executive privilege more than anybody else.

He's a former judge.

And if there's one man that rivals some urban or outdoes him, certainly in respect of his color, from a judicial point of view, it stands.

It's not just that.

It organizes the people who can talk to

Well, let me say this first.

Well, let's try.

Let's try.

And I try as quickly as you can.

Fair enough.

Now, the point about it is this.

The arguments for this are, frankly, the whole judicial process.

We are going forward with this investigation, but Heather wasn't right upon her coming down to the United States.

I have chopped off the heads of my own contemplators.

What the hell more do they want?

Because you know what they want to do.

I'm glad they don't.

I'm glad you aren't, but Smith doesn't want that.

The point is, the point is that I was an investigator at one time, and I remember in his case, we continued to investigate until the grand jury, in fact, until the grand jury got into it.

Then we quit.

You understand?

Yes.

Because we were going to start again.

You can't do that.

We couldn't continue to have witnesses before a committee that time they were appearing for a grand jury.

Well, that's what's involved here.

In the LaBelle case, I argued to that commission only three weeks ago.

But by some few, demanding the court-martial, one threat of holding up all nominations publicly, that he had practiced any possible crimes of subordinates of General LaBelle.

The committee followed.

He refused by his

They could not have built that.

They're jeopardizing it.

This time, they've got to an interest in the Senate itself, the level of the country.

But they're going to have it.

Even if they can make it.

Let me put it this way.

We have to make a run for this even if it fails.

Because if it fails, the committee goes ahead, then we've got to attack the committee.

You understand?

We'll have to.

Because the committee will have a goddamn show up there at a time that Mitchell, Hall,

Irving, their damn lines are at stake before a match.

That's just wrong.

Isn't it?

It's badly wrong.

They shouldn't do it.

I anticipate that some of the Republicans don't, maybe, will be as big a problem as the Democrats, who they want to be accepting of something for Irving who has all been seen out quite a bit.

The difficulty with some of the Republicans is, I don't know what we can do with them, but God will do something out of it.

They're a bigger of you responsible on this.

But the trouble we have here is that he's a publicist.

Well, he was a big business team, and he seemed to publicize it.

Huh?

He seemed to publicize it.

All right.

Now, the other thing they can do is

Both.

Let the committee go ahead with its non-Watergate areas.

From the other aspects of the committee?

The committee is supposed to be investigating campaign offenses.

It's supposed to be investigating dirty trends in rain, all that crap.

Go ahead with that.

But it's the Watergate thing.

The Watergate is being considered.

These other matters are not being considered by a grand jury.

I don't know what kind of a deal you're going to make, but the best thing to do is to see what's going to happen.

I don't know if that will work, but I'm convinced it's our best approach.

I think it's better than having counsel for us.

They won't get there.

They won't get anything.

The council will never be able to do it because the committee never heard why.

They're waiting for this show.

They're already getting their makeup done.

The only people who can put the pressure on them now are their peers.

All right.

That's the only place you can get them.

Well, let's start with status.

We'll start with...

I would say that in this instance, what if we could have a Goldwater review?

We're trying.

Goldwater would be very good.

We ought to have said it some other time.

You know, Carl is right.

And we've got to get started on it.

We've got to start with ministers and how do we do this?

I mean, that basically is going to prejudice the rights of all these people.

I think we can get help from a lot of sources.

Many of them don't practice.

Well, they're essential.

And so, I mean, even outside, Larry O'Brien.

Right.

We know his concern, and we'll know.

Oh, I think people are going to ask Dennis to do it.

He doesn't know if he has the assets or something, or if he has the bear on him.

If he's judging on how he's going to do it.

He's going to have to be a good captain of effort.

If he's best at it, he's going to have to put the responsibility on him.

He's going to have to accept that charge.

And that's the point.

Well, and to know he could turn to a little assistance here and so forth.

I mean, maybe the White House and people like Kurt Rooks could hardly do any of this talk with him.

Right.

Always, yeah.

I don't know.

He's not like this.

He's willing to pitch in.

I talked to him today.

And anyway, well, let me just say that you're sort of pushing the signage.

Let me see what I can do.

The Haldeman, we can put that to the Haldeman.

It's a little Friday.

I think getting to the committee thing is more important than getting to the Haldeman.

Friday is not urgent.

You can see Haldeman Friday or Saturday.

How about that?

I'll start on the Sunday.

And I think it's very important that you reassure Bob that from now on, Fred is the man.

You told him that.

I did, but I want him to know that I want to have a little talk with him tomorrow so that he can know.

I want him to confide in you totally that there's going to be a problem where he's going to see you.

Fred, you should know.

I think Eddie has some problems with my doing this job.

He has to stay in combat.

I talked to him briefly before.

He feels that he has some problem.

He has to stay in our ranks in the White House.

That's the main thing, his position.

We have been very close, so he feels some problem with the two of us coming from back.

Well, what can we do about it?

I told Eileen about this later this morning.

And I said, I thought it was very manageable.

Well, we need the man here.

I think we need the man here.

This is sort of the meaning of the indispensable man here.

And it's an opportunity for him to do it.

I mean, hell, you've been doing it for very long.

And God, you've been doing it for a long time.

I've been there 90 days, and I've worked with him for about a month and a half.

I think the main concern is that this man's been doing all this work.

And that's a good reason.

But I don't think the other... Oh, we can find somebody else to do the work.

Well, anyway, I appreciate it.

We'll, uh... We've got to see what we can do.

We'll find a...

Well, let me just say this.

We've all been going to hell sometimes.

We've had a day like this.

We've had a job to do.

God damn.

And we're getting a lot of heat.

We're going to take a lot more.

But the main thing, you've got to realize that we're right.

And that we've got to work.

Because of people's suggestion, I would start laughing and saying, oh, God, God, God.

Well, you know, I said, I made all of their heartache.

Because people said they couldn't do their job effectively anymore.

Maybe I should do mine, too.

I said, no, you don't have that much room.

And I guess that's the problem.

Absolutely.

The president has got to stick in there.

I would say a moment ago, maybe I would have taken a presentation.

I don't know for what, but I'm trying to express this, I guess.

It's conceivable.

Right.

I've heard people say, yeah, but I've had to testify three times, one or two.

Two of those committees had to want to get you to come up.

They had to want to speak to you.

In fact, that was before the 48th committee and I had Bella Haddon in the class meeting.

They had quite a section.

Well, they tried to impeach you before we got home.

They had the resolution to impeach you.

What does it take for impeachment to go?

It takes a charge to go to the House.

That's what I mean.

Oh, I think we do want to come up.

When is the House going to come up?

They may not want you to want to vote.

Yeah.

You know, they may come.

Sure.

If they raise too much rubble.

And the best that we can really put it down, then you can get a local cop to turn it.

It's a hard way to get a gold stock there.

I know that they come sometimes.

It may, but let me say that that would help my opinion.

It's already traumatic, but it will come out of your back when you come here.

It would.

And it's a tragedy.

It's a tragedy to go back to Alabama.

It's a tragedy to be the President of the United States for a while.

I'm going to leave you.

Oh, I went through the 64 campaign.

In case war was over here.

And bugging is an offense.

Were you there?

I was there.

What the hell are you doing?

Well, I'm working for some department.

One of my classmates got a big issue.

So I took him to my wedding.

And, uh, I had a big issue.

And, uh, I texted one of my classmates in the race to watch the football game.

And, uh, they wouldn't have had it.

So I was going to track him down.

And he was gone by that time.

Uh, you know, I just like that joke.

Yeah.

Well, anyway...

We're going to win.

See you later.

Coming out.

Well, I'm sorry you had such a long day.

Well, uh, I have to do it.

This was a three-way service assessment with, uh, Bazaar.

It was an incident with Jessica.

Aren't you really glad you got him?

Yeah.

For more reasons than I can say.

Good.

Is that it?

Is he learning stuff fast?

Yes.

You see, he's

A, he's been involved in the stuff out with Burns.

He just knows the whole procedure.

Burns?

Burns.

That's right.

He just came back from the Elkburg trial.

Oh, yeah?

What Burns was insisting on documents.

Yeah.

Now, this has come to this.

Bob has taken out his men.

All of his notes burned up.

Burned copy.

And, uh... Well, they needed him out of the office.

Yes.

And a lawyer, isn't it?

And a conservative.

A bizarre guy, isn't he?

He's always the aspect of Sanctuary.

And he's been forced to take his privilege on documents.

Because what they can do is...

It's only a game.

You've got to play on a search warrant.

Or any other physical way.

And this is called documentation.

Why do we tell them about this?

They're all here.

In a technical sense, we prevail over the executive privilege.

But we cannot tell them.

Have they asked them for the document?

They have not yet.

I thought you better get it back here.

Yes, well, I think it better go on.

The next thing here is that they're in a terrible dilemma because there's nobody that can defend them, in the sense of defending the president, because they don't know how serious he is.

I feel that it isn't serious enough, the gun.

And there, great fear, every time as we go down the road, any of the documents will be compromised.

They're concerned about that, very concerned.

And there's even a copy of it, that they're putting up, in order for it to be stolen in pieces like this.

Something copies it, in order to be bought off.

Oh yes, the second thing is that John,

We kind of turned over to the jury, his investigation.

We are.

And that's very criminating stuff to keep them down.

Marjorie was the case.

John was very bad.

Colson, all the way down in the battlefront.

It was a very big trouble for all of those guys.

It was an incompetence of the community.

I think this was inevitable.

I'm not concerned about this.

This one does not bother me.

The job that happened, well, that was, that he made, he's going to make a report, and he's turned it over.

But you see, the document conscious.

Yeah.

And there he is, this afternoon, Bob's coming.

They're going to ask Bob for his documents.

And they said if he takes the position that, you know, they can't have him, they'll say, well, if you've got him, then you don't have to answer yes.

And then they make a report.

and put them in jail for holding them.

And I was able to get them out of jail, of course, but it was a very tough position for me.

Sure.

But what they concluded is that in the best case, probably the documents would be helpful.

If they were selectively treated with water, maybe not.

That's their concern, that they can make that change.

If it's a worse case, then it would be very criminal, Bob's jokes.

Then they feel that at least they know what they have to do, and they have strategies of how to go from there.

But with explanations, they don't be very comfortable.

Selective releases of orders and jokes

I told him that I wasn't really sure.

I checked my autopsy to see if I was going to believe him.

Discussions began.

I tried to make contact with him.

care of the, you know, Craig.

But nothing was, would have been done.

But instead of his back, it was absolutely, what's that?

He said, if that's the character of the thing, is he?

His heart said, is that Michael Hamill?

What was that?

What happened?

You know.

Ron's lawyer called.

Well, can he still say that?

I think he's got to say that in the law for the present.

I think we can come to that.

No, I don't think so.

He has notes.

I know he has notes.

In fact, Johnson used to insist, Al, that every note made, he picked up after the meeting, belonged to him.

The notes were, the notes made by members of the staff belonged to the president.

And that's the rule I should have.

That's the rule you've got to have here.

He told me that very gently, he said, Wilson, you know, I'm a fine man.

Well, you know, you're not up to the job.

And that's Jackie.

He said that.

His heart said it.

He's not sure.

He had to take the man to trial.

His parents were very good.

What they feel is probably the best strategy, if the assessment of the dog's nose is confirmed, would be a solid theory.

Privilege, just to assure you, with explanation.

Because with explanation, the whole thing is clear.

If the note comes down, the only thing I don't want to do is for the dog to call me.

I mean, notes.

talking to me about, when Bob comes in with me and talks to me about this whole thing, he puts it all in the grand jury.

I don't want to do that.

I don't want to have any judgment.

In this case, one, I recommend his arm.

Look at him.

See if he can, if he can prepare.

If he can't, it's over.

It's damaging to the point that it can't be done.

And that's why I'm here.

Why this is also a good thing.

I know what a sub-strategy could be, but what it really has to do with the whole of the fight.

Understanding that the police could get those papers to John.

That's the very worst.

No.

Not at all.

I'm saying this is the very worst case.

I told Wilson Post, I said, Bernard, I suppose that you would come in and talk to Patrick and see what I did.

The president said, well, how much will it pay for something that, and spoke in a way that it looked like he did.

And I didn't just write that below the whistle and call the police.

That's right, I did.

And he said, that's easy.

He said, that's absolutely

Well, the conversation, that was the first time he told me about it.

The whole conversation was one of exploring what the hell they were all up to.

He said he is absolutely incredible.

And in return, he's going to come to them, especially in the middle of John's report that he's going to middle him.

All right, now, you've got to get down to a fine point.

You've got to get down to a fine point.

But that is what has to be effectively effective in this moment.

It's only personal.

He hasn't asked me for it.

I would do it.

I would do this for him.

So I want to make these notes available to us for... That's right.

We should.

I would wait and see how Bob can say.

But I think he will do it.

I know, I know.

So, I'm fine because I'm your agent.

I reassured you to do this for me.

I said that to Dan.

Right.

He's already very, very close to the sentence.

The sentence?

Yes, that's good.

That's why I recommended you to be on it, Dan and I.

The committee here, we've discussed that and how we go about it.

There's no other way.

Right.

There's no other way to stop this community here.

And the counsel for the defendants can't do it.

They can't sue them.

The Attorney General can't sue them.

They're going all the way.

And that's good.

The C-States and the M-States move for the lead in the areas of Black Lives Matter.

Who won the war.

He said he knows Stennis.

He feels confident in Stennis.

But he's not a member of the G.B.G.R.

He wasn't a black assistant.

He said, look, this was a matter of black interest.

We're going to enforce that with the National Security Statutes.

It's a bribery to get this thing under control anyway.

And find out who else we should deal with.

And at least get an assessment.

That doesn't cost anything.

Yes.

He thinks we can get a consensus for July.

And he's got a very good deal for that.

So that would take care of baggage.

Yeah, all right, I don't mind that.

I have no objection.

Let me say, I have found that I believe.

That's what it is.

And I really think, from what I know, I've been more aware about things we shouldn't be worried about.

Al, listen, let me tell you something.

The whole thing, if you know me, if we talk about this, the one conversation that Dean has, the only one, I think it was the one on March 21st that I told you about, and that conversation,

If you saw it in cold print, and it was interpreted by Dean, it could look very primitive.

But by about the moment, it's going to look exactly the opposite.

Because what happens is he came in for the first time and said, look, it's a dancing heart.

Well, tell me then.

Tell me then.

Yes, that's true.

And so he proceeds to go down the line.

And that's when he got in for the first time.

his own incriminations, as I told you, about how he was supporting the Kurds and all that.

But he got into this business of the use of erasing the funds for the detainees.

And I went into that, well, it's, and I said, well, this is illegal, isn't it?

And I was, and I asked him, because he said, well, if it is, the purpose is to shut them up.

And then he erased the one point, the one point of a current thing, except, for example, and I repeated to you now, so you know what I'm saying there,

And I said, well, what's all that?

I said, well, how is this going to work out?

I said, that takes care of it now.

What happens over the next four years?

And she went, am I repeating this?

But you know exactly my recollection.

Bob was the same.

And I said, he said, take a million, probably a million dollars.

I said, well, we can probably get it done.

I said, but how would you get it done?

I said, through a human committee or something like that.

No, we're not very good at that sort of thing.

We're kidding.

This is kidding about a thing.

I said, you know, we've got to take the money to Vegas.

and wash it, and send it around, all that kind of stuff.

Which again indicated that he was, what the hell was going on?

I said, well, the way the whole thing went wrong, I finally said, I thank God, having a conversation with Barbara.

I said, well, Barbara, I think, was first, it won't work, and second, it's too long.

That was what that was.

And then I also had in there, I said, clemency.

I said, for example, Hunt wants clemency.

I said, I couldn't even think of clemency until after 1974.

I said, you can consider it.

I said, therefore, for this whole thing, this just won't work.

And then I also have another word there that Bob has his recollection of wrong.

I'm sure that's what he said.

Well, you see, that's very bad.

And really, this guy is what worries me.

You know, there's got to be something.

I worry about it because I know how

how Dean might try to interpret it.

Dean was not... Dean, on the other hand, you see how that was the first time after nine months of investigation that Dean came in and said that money was being raised for the purpose of getting people to hush up.

I never knew about Bob's transfer of 350,000.

He never told me about that.

I never knew about the fact that the sort of launching of getting Trump out there and stuff.

I'm sure that's true.

I don't know about Ehrlich's bio, but I'm sure they're showing that.

But I'm sure they're showing that.

I haven't read what they should be achieving next time.

What did they say?

Well, mostly these were different people who came together.

Yeah.

And they all were all going to die to each other.

Ben and Mitchell died to the Britter.

Mitchell and Branch.

Dean?

I'm glad that he put his in.

But in other words, what do you say here about stockings?

In other words, do you have to turn them over to the court?

No.

I think they can get him, but it's far better for us to look right now and make a damage assessment and consider whether or not we should make a selective release.

Make that judgment so we're safe.

In the worst case, we can preempt it.

We can say, oh no, we're all national security and we can't do it, but we'll give you

by a council on a professional objective.

What's watergate related?

So now, in other words, what we could do here is that even on Bob Dunn, as we can say, at this point, we can exert executive privilege in what he's done, or we can't, because then we say we can't sustain it, because executive privilege is no more than your power.

Right?

Existing power is what the executive privilege is.

If you've got more troops and you've got it, then hell,

In this instance, the documents are out of the White House.

They're not under presidential control.

The originals are, copies are not.

And if they say to Vaughn, do you have your notes?

And he says yes, and his lawyers do because they told him that they have everything.

They'll say, well, we're going to subpoena this.

We must have it.

And if he won't give it, then they can hold him in contempt and throw him in jail unless they get him out.

they have the legal authority then to bring executive privilege.

Well, you see, maybe they need to come to a harder place to listen.

Well, no, I think we're getting very close to the point where we've got a strategy.

Do you think they can do it?

Absolutely not.

I don't think so.

But I think the worst part is that, apparently,

You know, even if, I don't know, if you're getting your counsel from people who have been engaged... Bob, or John, or... That's right.

And I can't sit here and let you be subjective about it, because I really think that one of the more important things you've said has caused me to realize that... That's right.

...there is a chance in the world of being able to be pathetic when you find you don't.

Right.

Your counsel will support you.

Okay?

dedicated to honing your interest.

And I have great respect for Bob, and I can't expect any more of his lawyers to be objective in their, despite their wrongs.

They consider themselves huge, and you see they're not.

And I mustn't look them over.

I can't, but I have to look them over.

Where I would need to be.

I had stated before, I had known that we had to abandon him.

I had decided that my one counsel, one, one, totally, is my own man.

It's your own man, not mine.

He was our, and then he would make a damage assessment.

So whether it's better to gird ourselves, whatever way it's going to take, in no circumstances,

or whether perhaps selective release would not serve the best purpose.

Well, I wonder if they would accept a selective release, though.

That's a promise that they would.

Huh?

That's what John's report promised.

John's report?

Yes, sir.

And he said that that's a very feasible thing to do.

And it would be acceptable.

As a counselor, I guess it would be possible.

Okay.

Is it closed now?

Omanello?

What time we got there?

I had 5 or 7 o'clock.

Why not?

No, I think I'd sleep on it.

No, find out what Bob is going to have to say.

What's that?

Find out how Bob came out of the sand from the river.

But I think in any event, I would recommend this.

Even if we had the documents here?

To be sure that the judgments being made by your counsel are totally in your favor.

not being distorted by anybody that's been in this thing, because they're not trying to praise the Father, they're just trying to do that.

You know, but what can happen if a wrong piece of paper is interpreted in that form?

It could be very interesting.

I really hope that same piece of paper

under our control, in which we explain the injury, could be helping.

It may help me, but I think it's time to accept another word for love.

I don't give total trust in this man.

I don't take it for granted, no, because I will not trust him, because I don't trust this gentleman.

No, no, no.

No, no, he'd be all upset.

I think it's a good tough guy.

Well, I think one of the things you have to do is let it get out of the area in a vacuum.

They're operating in a vacuum.

It's not working.

Even having heard it isn't working.

Because they have to know what could possibly come out in writing.

If Bob's papers are either obtained by the court, or if at some point they're

I suppose he got to put on even the notes when I talked to him about his resigning.

Boy, brother, brother.

Who's going to say it's never going to say it?

That isn't going to happen.

But now I'm sure.

Except that we discussed what it is.

Let me say this, I am not concerned myself about anything incriminating me.

In anything that I've done.

I mean, I know what I've done.

You know, I mean, I've told your, you know, Sheriff Nilsen that, you know, I mean, I was, I frankly, I was not informed.

And I don't blame people for not informing me.

They just didn't think, they thought I was too busy with other things.

And that's reasonable.

And probably if I had been informed, I must say, maybe I wouldn't have done anything anyway.

I would have people talk to me about it.

Other people are running the campaign.

That's right.

Same thing.

Like I said, the only thing that I think is the kind of thing.

I have no problem with Buzzard running over anyone.

Well, the point is, the point is, well, maybe we have no choice.

I don't quite get your point there.

When I say that they're going to get the documents, they're going to just subpoena all the documents anyway, actually, get all of those documents.

That's what I'm saying there.

I want to see what the issue is.

If the issue is that, then what the hell?

Why does anybody have to look at the moment?

Well, they'd have to do that in the middle of what we're going to have to do.

I have a problem with that.

They already know this.

They already said that if he could screen these very quickly, we're all talking about a span of time.

It's not that much.

Huh?

There's not that much material, I'm sure, that he could screen.

And make himself...

Just on the water, he can.

And well, they'd be together.

They'd have different things.

He could take all the other worldwide things out.

And I'm sure that's where the more trouble would be than in the water game, in many instances.

But I have compass in this guy's car.

He's not going to die.

God damn it, he's coming.

He said he was a first class lawyer.

I said, can't I do that?

I said, but why don't I just do it?

And he said, no, you can't do that because you're not legal counsel.

You're not a suspect.

You wouldn't be credible.

Counsel.

And then we'd have another litigation call from the court and say, wait a minute.

Counsel did it.

I would never have let him go through anything.

I'm not sure.

I wouldn't do that.

Where would you go see him?

Bob's house tomorrow.

Well, the lawyer told me to give it to him, but Bob okayed it.

And you personally have to give it.

And he's a lawyer, folks, who told Bazaar the fact that Bazaar asked him for it.

No, he was surprised.

He said, you mean you had Bob's notes out of the building?

He said, yes.

So that shattered their whole approach that they were going to take on a technical privilege.

The employer should have been smart enough to follow that.

Let us suppose that he doesn't.

There is a chance, I suppose, that they don't get to that today.

It's a Bob trip, but I don't think they're going to do it.

I don't think they're going to do it.

If they haven't got them, I think the other course of action would be to get the goddamn thing back.

That's my hope.

We just know we should be here about all we've got.

And we can exert pressure.

But if they've asked for it, we'll cut the chickpeas out of the coop on them.

Well, I think maybe we'll have to find out.

Maybe.

Maybe he's still living back.

Hey.

Yeah, Bob?

How'd you do?

Did you know?

Monday morning at 10 o'clock.

Uh-huh.

Bob, have you, uh, have you got confidence in your notes to have a building here?

Do your lawyers have it?

No, they told our people that they did.

Be sure of that.

Well, my people, well, I get it when I say that.

My people.

The guard said that your lawyer said that he had copies of the original Reservoir, and this was a copy of the original, and the president agreed to show them to you, and said to the guard what they were worried about,

Well, they gave me confidence.

They gave me confidence, John, so the investigators know.

That's all I need.

Do they have to be back?

Yeah.

See, you understand, if you were asked, if you had any notes, you couldn't make it because you were probably done.

It's a pain in the butt.

People who are outside are going to have to come.

Well, okay, that's good.

They don't, you know, they can be in an entirely different story.

You don't believe that they came in with a different story?

Yeah.

Bizarre.

Well, with Jackie's bazaar and when they were all in the section looking out, they could always go to a conservative family.

But the thing is, you've answered my question.

You've answered my question.

And they described that.

Well, yeah.

You know, that's kind of funny.

It's a horrible thing.

That's my wife.

Yeah, I don't know how you're going to stop.

There's already a third group.

You know, they should be all set.

Okay.

And you're already in a cold area on the, on the bottom over here.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Okay.

Well, I think that's what I'm trying to say.

All right, I think we got it.

Well, they would do it, Bob.

Well, they would do it.

they probably just read the book and they knew that's what we had to do next time and they raised it, your guys raised it

Thank you for watching.

Okay.

Roger that.

Roger.

I'd like everything.

Okay.

Fine, thank you.

I'm sure he's on a trip.

He's in a documentary.

He's heading there for an extract from his films.

I don't remember any of that here.

I don't know what happened to him.

I don't know if his lawyers had nothing.

Your counsel, if that works, if that's so.

Would you be sure to let Buzzard know right away?

I don't have Buzzard alone right now.

Right now?

I would like to get Buzzard on the phone right now and tell him that there is no problem, that they don't think...

Uh, Fred, Fred Bazaar is what he is, and he's on the phone.

How do you do?

I just want you to be sure.

We've got to start using one man here.

You've got to make it bizarre.

The second thing is, I've still been bizarre to go through.

You talk to me.

My father was quite distraught, so I didn't want to...

He was distraught by?

Man in hell.

Hello.

Fred?

Hey, Fred.

Two people got the role where he, uh, apparently on these documents.

Uh, I already talked to you about this since I was at the Justice Office, but Bob doesn't know anything about it.

He, he does not, and has never had other than, uh, about three pages of extracts of notes he made on his, uh...

Permission to testify.

Well, uh, Dan, we've got to be careful now.

I'm down in the security.

The lawyer told you, right?

Now somebody's pulling so much play.

Yeah, if I go either of those.

I am feeling that Bob's lawyer doesn't explain himself.

He's an old man, that's the beginning.

Yeah, I think.

He said, you come ahead 30-0.

He said, but Jack, he goes.

He came in all afraid.

I said, you need to tell me this.

He said, you have to go.

And there he was.

And they said he went over a four-page portion of it.

He said, you read it.

Very, very damaging to Bob.

Four pages.

Who went over it?

The portion of it.

Bob had given it.

Well, this is his extract, apparently.

You know, but they, they brought him up to the state compression and they were talking about Bob Snow's speech and the executive privilege.

Margo, whoever he called in, has been broke just because Bob has to spend the time in the building.

And it was his only lawyer who said that.

Of course, these lawyers get together and they're going to, you know, be sure, you know, what if Bob said to Karnick, uh,

Donnie, man, what did you say to me last night?

You said that dad's kissing some other bitch every time we talked.

One of our areas was some problem, and I don't trust you.

Don, I'm awfully glad you came over here, Al.

It's good for us to get this.

You always bring these things right to me because I'm not, and I don't want you, you must never have any doubt about my being afraid of anything here now.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Bob knows I'm really not.

Except for the fact that, uh,

We have a hell of a lot of free discussion about this.

I'm not paying anybody off.

That's what I mean.

Good government, I mean.

We can't have his notes and his conversation with me anymore than this conversation like this.

You don't want that in the courtroom.

Now, my concern is this.

If you take him, who knows as much as he knows about the work of damaging

You've got to come up.

That's right.

Only when you get the best judges for the protection of the family.

That's right.

I am.

We are fortunate enough in this land that I was made up to the job.

Yeah.

Tell me about it.

Yeah.

You're interested in life.

Right.

B, who also knows that you're running the inside of his car.

Yeah.

But he understands now.

He agrees that with these documents in the White House, your executive privilege doesn't apply as a government.

Yes, it does.

So that's a hell of a lot of good things.

Yeah.

Right.

Because you don't have to go to him and read all the damn documents, which would be a hell of a waste of his time.

He may have a later time, but he may want to release some.

Although I don't think you ought to write a privilege on documents.

John gave them his report because John made that report for me.

I wouldn't be sure.

It's another thing to remember, Mr. Pressley, that most of the cases go in.

They can't.

They can wrestle you the same in what they consider to be a bad thing.

And they're afraid and petrified for you that they're going to fail to cover something that's going to be covered.

That's right.

So I think you ought to think about having one of those consumer factors.

Just the one.

To be sure he knows the worst situation can come up and anything that Bob said is wrong.

And if he knows one thing, then I'll need to hear it.

And he said, if it's just a question of what he wanted, I don't know what's in the name, but it's a discussion about it.

He didn't want to be too specific.

He said, handle that.

He said, that's so easy to handle.

Not easy to handle.

The public then do.

That's what people throw as a token.

You know, throw something like that in public where you don't need to discuss it.

But the point is, the part is, that it's a credible thing.

And I'd like for you to do that.

That is the point, that was the day that I started my investigation.

And he revealed this, and we discussed the matter, but we didn't do anything about it.

We talked about it.

We talked about the problem.

We talked about it.

And I brought up the impossibilities of it, you know, and so forth and so on.

Where it would lead, what it would do, how it would work, and so forth.

And I realized that these boys are in ways that are against natural justice.

And my greatest concern was because they were.

And because maybe John or Bob found out about it.

But I had at that point Dean was an outcast.

Dean was one of those guys.

Wayne was the one that was talking about the money.

To me.

Telling me the problem.

And I said, John, I said, this isn't going to work.

See, that kind of a thing, sir, is...

It's just not going to be damaged.

Yeah.

It's not going to hurt anything.

It hurt some.

The very fact that there was a lot that he was discussing, but I had to get the facts out.

That's the way I get facts, you know, the way I talk to him.

You take the devil's advocate position.

That's right.

I went all through this thing.

I was devil-ethicated all the way down the line.

And I did it in this case.

We don't.

But if you really think that Buzzard should look through all of Bob's notes, I don't argue.

I agree.

I don't want to talk to Buzzard.

Yeah.

First, I don't want him to get along with Bob's lawyer.

It's a legal problem.

With Bob's lawyer.

Yeah.

Bob's lawyer doesn't like that.

Bob's lawyer is basically, let's face it, an anti-Semitic.

That's part of the problem.

Well, sometimes Bob is doing the other way.

Buzzard?

Buzzard, incidentally, should get with Bob's lawyer and win his confidence.

I really think maybe I ought to put Bob over here.

He's not quite at the grand jury.

He'll find me.

Don't tell him.

What the hell happened today?

Johnny stayed on the line.

Probably.

But you know how he did it, didn't you?

I don't know.

We're not supposed to know, but if Adam does find out...

See, we're going to have to decide very quickly on the Senate here.

So they're going to start that hearing next Thursday.

Yes.

They can't get Dean for 30 days, but they're bringing in all the other clients.

All the other clients.

Why can't they get Dean for 30 days?

Because of the amenity.

Yeah, well, the amenity accepts the amenity.

They can't come.

But he hasn't done it as of this moment.

Let me come back to this judge thing.

What in the name of God does he keep us from having those documents from God?

He just creates his documents.

It's a scheduling problem.

He creates his documents full, and he will not address the motion at those points.

I said, what can we do about it?

He said, well, the main thing for us to do about it is not to worry about it.

I mean, basically, it's your story.

Dean has written his story up.

That's it.

That's what it sounds to me like.

Wouldn't you agree?

Anybody have any other views as to what he has?

That's kind of the thing.

I don't think there are probably any kinds of discussions

with you, or with Bob, or with John.

And he takes the 43-page document, and of course, he tried to write it, and he can't do it.

Well, the man in eight memcons, or something like that, doesn't come up here.

I see.

Doesn't come up here.

His memcons are going to be what he remembers for Christ's sakes.

He's going to have it in his life, self-serving to us, and then he's already proven to be that guy.

We've done it a couple times, and other times he's saying, it's 43-page name, Christ's sake, why didn't you write it months ago?

He gets charged with me trying to get something done.

I couldn't get anything done, but he did it.

Not until March 21st that he told me the story.

And I did something.

That's the point.

Well, I think they told him to write a report and put Erling in the works, an Erling writes a report.

And finally, what happened is McGruder and Dean both sort of cracked for the same day or anything like that, which is all right.

I'm glad they did.

I'm glad they got the goddamn thing cleaned up.

You understand, I don't like to go through this anymore.

You do.

But it's wrong to have this goddamn case covered up this way.

McGruder is guilty as hell.

Mitchell is guilty.

I mean, of the original thing.

And Dean was involved, no question.

With regard to the payout deal with the rogue and people like that, they may, whether or not they will be held guilty of it, but a conspiracy depends upon their intent.

With regard to Bob and John, it depends upon intent, and I think they will not be held guilty of it.

That's what I hope, but I don't know.

What do you think will happen to them?

What do you think will happen?

I think John is going to have a very good chance.

Bob has a greater problem because of that tree that he has.

You know, that's the thing that most people should worry about.

Yeah, I worry about that too.

You know, I think the rest of it is easy.

But I think Bob has to think of himself as a conduit to that.

He's all right if there was something that went to you, if he was there.

Well, you're as vulnerable as he is, he's as vulnerable as you are in a situation like that.

So I don't, I'm not sure we're taking away from each other.

That's all we're talking about.