{"conversationCode":"434-025","tapeNumber":434,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-434-025","startDateTime":"1973-05-11T19:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-11T19:01:00.000Z","startDate":"11-May-1973","startTime":"3:00 PM","endDate":"11-May-1973","endTime":"3:01 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:00 pm to 3:01 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 434-025 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 434-25\n\nDate: May 11, 1973\nTime: 3:00 pm - 3:01 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 46-13]\n\f                                             -33-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 434-9 (cont’d)","filename":["434-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"434-024","nextCode":"434-026","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.12,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.46,"end":15.14,"text":"I'd like to get that signing over a little earlier, because I might want to drive and things."},{"start":15.16,"end":15.8,"text":"What time you got now?"},{"start":15.82,"end":17.39,"text":"Well, we do it at 3.30."},{"start":17.41,"end":17.5,"text":"Fine."},{"start":17.52,"end":19.93,"text":"Now, understand, it's, you know, this is a private signing, and we just want to make it, all right?"},{"start":31.67,"end":50.33,"text":"That would be very good for a change."},{"start":50.35,"end":50.57,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":50.59,"end":50.75,"text":"Hell no."},{"start":50.77,"end":50.93,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":50.95,"end":52.05,"text":"No, no, not until we've left."},{"start":52.07,"end":54.36,"text":"Well, you understand why it can't be on the record."},{"start":54.38,"end":54.7,"text":"You've got that."},{"start":54.72,"end":56.78,"text":"When we're on the record, we've got 14 press cards, photograph cards, and compilers."},{"start":56.8,"end":57.56,"text":"There ain't got to be that anymore."},{"start":57.58,"end":57.94,"text":"Do you understand?"},{"start":57.96,"end":58.9,"text":"There'll never be an on-the-record drive again."},{"start":58.92,"end":59.02,"text":"Ever."},{"start":60.1,"end":60.46,"text":"Do you understand?"},{"start":61.13,"end":63.58,"text":"Okay."},{"start":63.6,"end":63.7,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and aide Stephen B. Bull coordinate the scheduling and logistics for a private document signing session. Nixon emphasizes his desire to avoid media presence, explicitly instructing Bull that future signings and events should not be open to the press. The conversation serves as a directive to restrict public and photographic access to presidential activities moving forward.","topics":["White House scheduling","Press relations","Media policy","Presidential logistics","Privacy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:58:33.981Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-scheduling","press-relations","media-policy","presidential-logistics","privacy"],"audioDurationSec":69,"audioFiles":[{"file":"434-025.mp3","bytes":2199552,"durationSec":68.63,"bitrate":256407,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.424Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:39.858Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/434-025.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/434-025","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/434/conversation-434-025","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}