{"conversationCode":"435-035","tapeNumber":435,"conversationNumber":35,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-435-035","startDateTime":"1973-05-14T21:01:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-14T21:08:00.000Z","startDate":"14-May-1973","startTime":"5:01 PM","endDate":"14-May-1973","endTime":"5:08 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Ziegler, Ronald L.; Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On May 14, 1973, Ronald L. Ziegler and President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:01 pm to 5:08 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 435-035 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 435-35\n\nDate: May 15, 1973\nTime: 5:01 pm-5:08 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nRonald L. Ziegler talked with the President.\n\n[See Conversation No. 46-66]","filename":["435-035.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ziegler, Ronald L.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"435-034","nextCode":"435-036","transcript":[{"start":82.38,"end":103.24,"text":"... ... ... ..."},{"start":114.86,"end":116.32,"text":"Hei, hei, hei, hei!"},{"start":165.27,"end":180.62,"text":"As a matter of fact, this is the first time we've seen this baby on a horse."},{"start":180.64,"end":181.54,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":182.14,"end":185.19,"text":"I just don't think it's going to be that easy to start, especially with one horse."},{"start":212.84,"end":217.95,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":225.89,"end":231.36,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler met with President Nixon to discuss administrative or political strategy, utilizing metaphorical language regarding the challenges of initiating a new project or initiative. The conversation focused on the difficulties of early implementation, specifically characterizing the task as comparable to starting with a single horse. No specific policy decisions were finalized during this brief exchange.","topics":["White House administration","political strategy","White House press office","implementation challenges"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:02:56.336Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-administration","political-strategy","white-house-press-office","implementation-challenges"],"audioDurationSec":248,"audioFiles":[{"file":"435-035.mp3","bytes":7933952,"durationSec":247.84,"bitrate":256099,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","transcriptGapSeconds":36,"transcriptGapShare":0.15,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/435-035.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/435-035","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/435/conversation-435-035","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}