{"conversationCode":"436-013","tapeNumber":436,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-436-013","startDateTime":"1973-05-14T20:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-14T20:04:00.000Z","startDate":"14-May-1973","startTime":"4:00 PM","endDate":"14-May-1973","endTime":"4:04 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:00 pm to 4:04 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 436-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 436-13\n\f                                               -17-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\nDate: May 14, 1973\nTime: 4:00 pm - 4:04 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 46-31]","filename":["436-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"436-012","nextCode":"436-014","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.58,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.6,"end":2.08,"text":"Iran?"},{"start":2.93,"end":4.74,"text":"Did the Rebels not survive?"},{"start":18.85,"end":29.09,"text":"You play more accused of being under an FBI, or an assigned worker, or whatever."},{"start":29.11,"end":29.37,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":29.39,"end":29.65,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":29.67,"end":29.93,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":29.95,"end":30.21,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":30.23,"end":30.49,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":54.27,"end":65.86,"text":"The judge, I understand, is now reading the papers."},{"start":65.88,"end":66.1,"text":"He is late."},{"start":66.12,"end":66.96,"text":"He's going to be coming down at 3 o'clock."},{"start":82.9,"end":108.82,"text":"But on the other hand, we can, your philosophy is so correct, we'll keep our balance."},{"start":108.84,"end":109.5,"text":"I don't take this, I mean, but..."},{"start":117.77,"end":145.33,"text":"All right."},{"start":145.35,"end":145.55,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler briefly discussed the progress of a court proceeding involving a judge reviewing documentation. The conversation reflects the administration's defensive posture regarding legal challenges and the need to maintain a composed public stance. No specific directives were issued, but the exchange underscores the mounting pressure from ongoing investigations during this period.","topics":["Watergate","Legal proceedings","White House press relations","Public image","Judicial review"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:04:50.204Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","legal-proceedings","white-house-press-relations","public-image","judicial-review"],"audioDurationSec":153,"audioFiles":[{"file":"436-013.mp3","bytes":4892672,"durationSec":152.77,"bitrate":256205,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:40.229Z","transcriptGapSeconds":53,"transcriptGapShare":0.35,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/436-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/436-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/436/conversation-436-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}