{"conversationCode":"437-007","tapeNumber":437,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-437-007","startDateTime":"1973-05-16T18:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-16T18:46:00.000Z","startDate":"16-May-1973","startTime":"2:44 PM","endDate":"16-May-1973","endTime":"2:46 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 16, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:44 pm to 2:46 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 437-007 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 437-7\n\nDate: May 16, 1973\nTime: 2:44 pm -2:46 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 46-79]","filename":["437-007.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"437-006","nextCode":"437-008","transcript":[{"start":0.32,"end":25.22,"text":"So, Ron, I was going to say that regardless of any question, if it does come up, I don't know what it is, but if it does come up, John, we have to make sure we don't have any issues with the maintenance, whether or not the president or whatever director is involved."},{"start":25.24,"end":25.94,"text":"Yes, the director will investigate."},{"start":25.96,"end":27.97,"text":"Of all agencies, it might have been involved."},{"start":27.99,"end":28.31,"text":"Don't you agree?"},{"start":28.33,"end":29.03,"text":"Because that's their line of sight."},{"start":29.05,"end":30.31,"text":"They were trying to find out whether the CIA was involved."},{"start":32.48,"end":56.21,"text":"Any other developments you'd like to talk to us about?"},{"start":56.23,"end":56.59,"text":"Yeah, this is L.A."},{"start":56.61,"end":60.21,"text":"I think you can find out how many, just to break it down, before and so forth, how many FBI reports did they receive, or how many, how many staff did they send in before that time?"},{"start":60.23,"end":61.05,"text":"We have some that date, but we've already"},{"start":65.57,"end":66.3,"text":"I hear you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Ronald Ziegler discussed internal investigations into agency involvement, specifically focusing on the CIA's potential role and the necessity for a thorough, broad-based inquiry. Nixon directed Ziegler to gather specific data regarding FBI reports and the timeline of staff involvement in Los Angeles to clarify administrative oversight. This exchange reflects the White House's attempt to manage and compartmentalize information surrounding ongoing investigations.","topics":["CIA","FBI","Watergate investigation","Agency oversight","White House administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:05:56.411Z"},"topicSlugs":["cia","fbi","watergate-investigation","agency-oversight","white-house-administration"],"audioDurationSec":76,"audioFiles":[{"file":"437-007.mp3","bytes":2447360,"durationSec":76.33,"bitrate":256491,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/437-007.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/437-007","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/437/conversation-437-007","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}