{"conversationCode":"438-006","tapeNumber":438,"conversationNumber":6,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-438-006","startDateTime":"1973-05-17T17:46:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-17T17:47:00.000Z","startDate":"17-May-1973","startTime":"1:46 PM","endDate":"17-May-1973","endTime":"1:47 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 17, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:46 pm to 1:47 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 438-006 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 438-6\n\nDate: May 17, 1973\nTime: 1:46 pm - 1:47 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 46-94]","filename":["438-006.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"438-005","nextCode":"438-007","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":0.52,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.32,"end":12.55,"text":"With all of that research staff that's here, it's too busy."},{"start":12.57,"end":21.51,"text":"We're having a community staff check to see whether this all was ever treated in New York."},{"start":21.53,"end":22.85,"text":"I'm confident that it was not."},{"start":22.87,"end":27.25,"text":"I mean, what I meant is, confident from my own recollection of those stories, which I followed closely at that time."},{"start":27.27,"end":29.94,"text":"But God damn it, Ron, we ought to have that kind of information."},{"start":30.04,"end":33.93,"text":"five minutes, not looking at whether it's a girl or a man or a three man or a five."},{"start":35.18,"end":36.73,"text":"All right."},{"start":36.75,"end":37.09,"text":"Okay, good."},{"start":37.55,"end":38.48,"text":"Well, Mark, Mark."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss the urgent need to verify if specific past news reports were covered by New York media outlets. Expressing frustration over the current pace of research, Nixon mandates an immediate staff check to confirm these details. The brief exchange highlights the administration's defensive efforts to manage historical records and media narratives amid mounting political pressure.","topics":["Media relations","White House staff","Information management","Publicity research","New York press"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:08:22.150Z"},"topicSlugs":["media-relations","white-house-staff","information-management","publicity-research","new-york-press"],"audioDurationSec":47,"audioFiles":[{"file":"438-006.mp3","bytes":1505280,"durationSec":46.89,"bitrate":256800,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/438-006.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-006","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/438/conversation-438-006","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}