{"conversationCode":"438-016","tapeNumber":438,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-438-016","startDateTime":"1973-05-17T19:43:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-17T19:53:00.000Z","startDate":"17-May-1973","startTime":"3:43 PM","endDate":"17-May-1973","endTime":"3:53 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 17, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 3:53 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 438-016 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 438-16\n\nDate: May 17, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 3:43 pm and 3:53 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -Henry A. Kissinger\n              -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n              -White House Fellows\n                      -Trip\n              -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n              -White House Fellows\n                      -Reception\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 3:53 pm.","filename":["438-016.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"438-015","nextCode":"438-017","transcript":[{"start":0.49,"end":20.98,"text":"Mr. President, I don't know what your minds are, but the 1973-74 White House fell into the academy."},{"start":21.16,"end":24.04,"text":"I will not speak for anyone, whatever."},{"start":24.06,"end":28.15,"text":"I just don't want to say anything."},{"start":29.44,"end":33.85,"text":"So what was it?"},{"start":33.93,"end":39.96,"text":"They wanted to come in for a half hour or so."},{"start":40.6,"end":46.01,"text":"They were having a reception."},{"start":46.71,"end":50.22,"text":"Yes, great, great."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to coordinate his upcoming schedule and handle logistics for several pending engagements. The discussion focused on arrangements for meetings with Henry Kissinger and Charles Rebozo, as well as the President’s participation in activities involving the White House Fellows. Nixon finalized the planning for a reception for the Fellows and confirmed his attendance at the associated events.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","White House Fellows","Henry Kissinger","Charles Rebozo","Event planning"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:09:16.030Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","white-house-fellows","henry-kissinger","charles-rebozo","event-planning"],"audioDurationSec":55,"audioFiles":[{"file":"438-016.mp3","bytes":1769472,"durationSec":55.2,"bitrate":256445,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/438-016.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-016","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/438/conversation-438-016","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}