{"conversationCode":"438-018","tapeNumber":438,"conversationNumber":18,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-438-018","startDateTime":"1973-05-17T19:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-17T19:54:00.000Z","startDate":"17-May-1973","startTime":"3:53 PM","endDate":"17-May-1973","endTime":"3:54 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On May 17, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:53 pm to 3:54 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 438-018 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 438-18\n\nDate: May 17, 1973\nTime: 3:53 pm - 3:54 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n[See Conversation No. 46-100]","filename":["438-018.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"438-017","nextCode":"438-019","transcript":[{"start":0.22,"end":24.03,"text":"Oh, I thought I would like to go out to break the heavens and enjoy the night."},{"start":24.05,"end":26.23,"text":"Is that all right?"},{"start":26.25,"end":27.59,"text":"All right, fine, fine, thank you."},{"start":30.46,"end":31.39,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon held a brief meeting in the Old Executive Office Building to discuss personal plans for the evening. The conversation concluded with the President approving the First Lady's proposal to go out for the night. The exchange was strictly informal and did not involve any matters of state or policy.","topics":["Pat Nixon","First Lady","Personal Schedule","White House domestic life"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:09:26.275Z"},"topicSlugs":["pat-nixon","first-lady","personal-schedule","white-house-domestic-life"],"audioDurationSec":36,"audioFiles":[{"file":"438-018.mp3","bytes":1163264,"durationSec":36.21,"bitrate":256980,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/438-018.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-018","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/438/conversation-438-018","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}