{"conversationCode":"438-023","tapeNumber":438,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-438-023","startDateTime":"1973-05-22T13:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-22T13:55:00.000Z","startDate":"22-May-1973","startTime":"9:34 AM","endDate":"22-May-1973","endTime":"9:55 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:34 am and 9:55 am. 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Morton, Claude S. Brinegar [?]\n                      -Energy conservation\n                      -Charles J. DiBona\n              -Inter-American Defense Forum\n                      -Military\n              -Merchant Marine achievement award\n                      -James L. Buckley and Jacob K. Javits\n                              -New York\n              -Robert J. Dole\n              -Albert E. Sindlinger\n              -Elliot L. Richardson\n              -George P. Schultz, Herbert Stein, Roy L. Ash\n                      -Haig\n                              -President’s telephone call\n              -Timmons’s suggestions\n                      -Case file\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:55 am.\n\f                                              -22-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 438-24 (cont’d)","filename":["438-023.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"438-022","nextCode":"438-024","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":4.34,"text":"What's the matter?"},{"start":4.5,"end":8.22,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":8.46,"end":11.63,"text":"Oh, I thought he was coming over here."},{"start":11.77,"end":12.75,"text":"Okay."},{"start":12.77,"end":15.81,"text":"Al told me you're very busy the next couple of days."},{"start":16.15,"end":19.18,"text":"You have to let him know."},{"start":20.02,"end":26.05,"text":"Now I'm going to just check to see what he said on Wednesday."},{"start":26.07,"end":26.89,"text":"Fine, fine."},{"start":26.91,"end":27.43,"text":"Good girl."},{"start":27.45,"end":27.65,"text":"Good girl."},{"start":27.67,"end":27.87,"text":"Good girl."},{"start":27.89,"end":28.65,"text":"Good girl."},{"start":28.67,"end":28.87,"text":"Good girl."},{"start":30.15,"end":40.6,"text":"This is related to an agricultural field, which is very bad."},{"start":41.15,"end":44.71,"text":"It's an Alaska field that's coming up."},{"start":44.73,"end":45.35,"text":"I don't get it."},{"start":45.37,"end":46.33,"text":"I don't get it."},{"start":46.35,"end":46.85,"text":"It's an Alaska pipeline."},{"start":46.87,"end":48.43,"text":"It's very hard."},{"start":48.45,"end":49.12,"text":"It's going to be a regular field."},{"start":49.13,"end":49.9,"text":"Your leadership is wild for us, Chris."},{"start":49.92,"end":50.86,"text":"I get that."},{"start":50.88,"end":51.08,"text":"It's fine."},{"start":51.1,"end":51.32,"text":"It's fine."},{"start":51.34,"end":55.42,"text":"It's going to be very good."},{"start":55.44,"end":57.04,"text":"It's going to be very good."},{"start":57.06,"end":58.57,"text":"It's going to be very good."},{"start":58.59,"end":59.37,"text":"It's going to be very good."},{"start":59.95,"end":63.04,"text":"Okay."},{"start":64.94,"end":74.93,"text":"There is an error in S4."},{"start":80.16,"end":87.35,"text":"This is an S organization."},{"start":88.03,"end":88.93,"text":"Basically, uh,"},{"start":89.25,"end":98.2,"text":"I don't want to do that."},{"start":98.8,"end":110.48,"text":"I don't want to do that."},{"start":110.5,"end":114.42,"text":"I don't want to do that."},{"start":114.86,"end":116.08,"text":"Excuse me."},{"start":123.08,"end":138.17,"text":"The man is from New York, roughly from Javison."},{"start":138.19,"end":142.65,"text":"He's behind the scenes."},{"start":142.67,"end":148.9,"text":"You can have him ready."},{"start":148.92,"end":149.12,"text":"All right."},{"start":149.14,"end":150.85,"text":"You know, on the Wednesday, the door was from the schedule."},{"start":152.45,"end":159.12,"text":"That's all it is."},{"start":159.32,"end":162.1,"text":"It's a very free meeting."},{"start":163.22,"end":166.95,"text":"Last week you said you were sitting with her."},{"start":167.09,"end":169.01,"text":"No, I don't want to sit with her."},{"start":170.53,"end":173.2,"text":"Well, yes, I don't want to sit with her."},{"start":173.24,"end":174.08,"text":"We don't want to..."},{"start":174.24,"end":180,"text":"I know that I... Al is comfortable sitting with her."},{"start":180.03,"end":180.55,"text":"He is a comfortable..."},{"start":180.69,"end":191.18,"text":"We've got to find out whether they're ready or not."},{"start":194.02,"end":194.76,"text":"Whenever they're ready."},{"start":194.88,"end":196,"text":"I'm not calling you."},{"start":196.3,"end":200.89,"text":"I want to."},{"start":200.91,"end":202.46,"text":"Just stay with me."},{"start":202.48,"end":203.28,"text":"That's the answer."},{"start":216.17,"end":221.88,"text":"I don't want to hear any more of that."},{"start":222.02,"end":231.94,"text":"I just want to listen to this."},{"start":233.04,"end":237.55,"text":"I'm just living here, so I can live it all."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and aide Stephen B. Bull reviewed the President's upcoming schedule, focusing on key legislative and political engagements including meetings with Republican leadership and discussions regarding the Alaska pipeline and agricultural legislation. The conversation addressed the coordination of appointments involving figures such as Alexander Haig, Elliot Richardson, and various congressional members. Nixon provided specific directives regarding his preferences for these meetings, emphasizing the management of his time and personnel interactions.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Alaska pipeline","Republican leadership","Legislative agenda","Alexander Haig","White House operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:09:53.148Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","alaska-pipeline","republican-leadership","legislative-agenda","alexander-haig","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":242,"audioFiles":[{"file":"438-023.mp3","bytes":7761920,"durationSec":242.44,"bitrate":256126,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.738Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:40.581Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/438-023.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-023","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/438/conversation-438-023","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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