{"conversationCode":"438-024","tapeNumber":438,"conversationNumber":24,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-438-024","startDateTime":"1973-05-22T13:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-22T13:55:00.000Z","startDate":"22-May-1973","startTime":"9:34 AM","endDate":"22-May-1973","endTime":"9:55 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:34 am and 9:55 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 438-024 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 438-24\n\nDate: May 22, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 9:34 am and 9:55 am\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -California\n              -Format of forthcoming meeting\n              -Breakfast session\n              -Republican leadership\n              -Economic meeting\n              -Small Business Administration [SBA]\n              -Albert E. Sindlinger\n              -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n              -Prisoners of war [POW] event\n              -Cabinet meeting\n              -National Institutes of Health [NIH]\n              -Trip to Florida\n              -Memorial Day\n                      -Unknown soldier event\n                      -Mount Vernon [?]\n                      -Wreath\n                              -Surrogate\n              -Bipartisan congressional leadership\n              -President’s forthcoming trip to Iceland\n              -Republican stand-in [?]\n              -Possible meetings of Congressmen\n                      -Size and purpose\n                      -Effects\n                      -Topics\n                      -Timing\n              -Haig\n\f                                               -23-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 438-24 (cont’d)\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:55 am.","filename":["438-024.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"438-023","nextCode":"438-025","transcript":[{"start":6.61,"end":10.99,"text":"Takk for ating."},{"start":36.55,"end":64.65,"text":"... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":65.15,"end":90.11,"text":"... ... ..."},{"start":100.54,"end":129.11,"text":"... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":130.41,"end":155.2,"text":"... ... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":158.64,"end":188.49,"text":"... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":190.77,"end":204.94,"text":"Well, I start today actually at 2.30."},{"start":206.71,"end":215.4,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":217.78,"end":220.64,"text":"Friday, uh,"},{"start":221.14,"end":246.66,"text":"... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":251.87,"end":279.26,"text":"... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":282.7,"end":312,"text":"... ... ... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":312.37,"end":341.43,"text":"... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":342.07,"end":354.85,"text":"... ... ... ..."},{"start":375.4,"end":398.47,"text":"... ... ... ..."},{"start":399.39,"end":428.85,"text":"... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":429.3,"end":453.16,"text":"And part of the psychological impact of the counter-risk is the fact that the counter-risk is good for the virus, and it's leading up to the international virus, and it's going to be a good ripple effect, and it's going to be accessible for insulation, and it's going to be good for the virus."},{"start":453.18,"end":453.28,"text":"Good."},{"start":453.3,"end":454,"text":"We make a start at the end of 2021."},{"start":461.71,"end":477.11,"text":"I think what you really ought to do is..."},{"start":490.99,"end":494.86,"text":"Well, this is the other go."},{"start":497.8,"end":501.56,"text":"This kind of thing works."},{"start":501.58,"end":507.05,"text":"Oh, my God, there's nothing I can figure out."},{"start":507.57,"end":513.51,"text":"But don't rush it."},{"start":513.6,"end":516.8,"text":"I'm not hurrying it."},{"start":517.2,"end":518.08,"text":"That's why he regrets it."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his personal aide, Stephen B. Bull, to coordinate the logistics and scheduling of various upcoming official events and meetings. The discussion encompassed planning for a trip to California, a meeting with Republican leadership, and preparations for Memorial Day observances, including potential surrogate participation. They also addressed the scheduling of meetings with congressional leadership and the President’s anticipated travel to Iceland.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Republican leadership","Memorial Day events","Congressional relations","Foreign policy travel"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:09:58.485Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","republican-leadership","memorial-day-events","congressional-relations","foreign-policy-travel"],"audioDurationSec":521,"audioFiles":[{"file":"438-024.mp3","bytes":16685056,"durationSec":521.29,"bitrate":256056,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:40.582Z","transcriptGapSeconds":315,"transcriptGapShare":0.61,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/438-024.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-024","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/438/conversation-438-024","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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