Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 438-025
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 1973 at 9:34 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-025

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[0:14] Yes, sir.
[0:16] This paper still on the back of us is getting all the ex-fire.
[0:20] I think it's done a marvelous job to get this far.
[0:23] Give me a little rundown.
[0:26] While I was waiting for you, I talked to Dicker.
[0:28] He told me that the committee was very good, and I want to be sure that you agree with the plan.
[0:35] A formal leader is being embraced as an idea.
[0:38] Do you agree with that, Dicker?
[0:41] Yes, I do.
[0:41] I don't know about you, but that's probably a good
[0:44] We have to give the message to the world that you have the right people in a very different setting than, say, you know, you did go to the United States.
[1:00] Oh, I do.
[1:01] Well, no.
[1:01] And he's an activist now.
[1:03] Oh, I hadn't understood that.
[1:05] When I had thought about it, when I, when we talked about the problem, apparently, what John said is wrong.
[1:15] And he said, bring in some others from time to time.
[1:25] It was disgusting.
[1:26] And maybe he meant that evening to bring somebody in here tonight.
[1:39] I don't know.
[1:48] I heard about that.
[1:51] So if they would be done by me, then I could probably go, well, we're just supposed to look at this church.
[2:04] We're hungry.
[2:05] We're supposed to look at this church.
[2:08] How about they not accept it?
[2:11] And then we go and have this session with the fourth order.
[2:15] And then we're going to pray.
[2:17] And then we're going to find the whole thing.
[2:19] He would have that.
[2:26] He would have that.
[2:40] And then follow that up.
[3:20] Right.
[3:21] Yes, I agree.
[3:25] I agree.
[3:26] Probably pretty good.
[3:28] That was mine.
[3:29] Right now, I'm in the county.
[3:30] I just posted this and said it was a good one.
[3:33] It was a good one.
[3:38] And I just told him.
[3:40] I didn't let him speak.
[3:41] He said, I didn't want to meet him.
[3:42] I didn't want to speak to him.
[3:43] I said, I'm going to have to check with you.
[3:44] Is that what's going to happen?
[3:46] Are you ready for a meeting?
[3:46] I'm already ready.
[3:47] I think you're going to be looking forward to that.
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[4:21] We may decide, we may come out of this with a decision.
[4:43] But if we do, we want to do it in a way in which
[5:06] I don't know if it's just me, but I don't know if it's just me.
[5:27] I don't know if it's just me, but I don't know if it's just me.
[5:28] I don't know if it's just me, but I don't know if it's just me.
[5:41] Well, when you're at the forefront, it feels very strong in that direction.
[6:02] Economically, we've got to balance the economic and the political side.
[6:06] Political conference back, we're going to take a few wraps.
[6:09] Thank you very much.
[6:10] And right now, we think we need some tough action now.
[6:16] Right now, let's act on this front and act in a very effective way.
[6:26] Now, I had this paper back in the building board meeting.
[6:33] We had some studies made.
[6:38] There's about almost 20 pages of this in that book.
[6:48] The only clue to that is there's no shape that's in here now.
[6:56] They put a tab on it, being quite specific with some of the challenges.
[6:59] The paper starts out with a list of a listing of what you haven't done.
[7:03] That shouldn't be in the beginning.
[7:06] So that's the last thing.
[7:11] so that it doesn't go as long as you're facing.
[7:21] Move it.
[7:21] Well, yes, sir, by doing all this dedication, we got together and then we reached out to them.
[7:32] And we worked back and forth, and we worked on them.
[7:33] So we're off to town.
[7:34] We're talking about something soon.
[7:35] So now it's ready for you.
[7:36] You had a head and a foot?
[7:38] Very heavy.
[7:38] Very heavy.
[7:42] They still need some work.
[7:43] The bazaars work on it, too.
[7:46] The bazaars work on it throughout.
[7:50] I have a new ally who will help throughout the whole country.
[7:55] He'll drop the balls throughout the country.
[7:58] Now, don't you worry about the other party.
[8:03] I'll get the harder guys.
[8:04] I'll find you what you want.
[8:06] Then we'll go to this unit for Tuesday.
[8:14] Don't worry about it.
[8:21] Don't worry about it.
[8:23] Don't worry about it.
[8:25] Don't worry about it.
[8:57] Yeah, that's a great subject.
[9:00] On your economics meeting, I don't think you need to give it to him.
[9:05] If you're trying to do something else, you just know it's a private matter.
[9:51] I have on this thing.
[9:56] You know, their things are just like we have in the POW thing.
[10:04] There's so much that they're putting out.
[10:07] All of these things have to be very, very strong and push.
[10:12] It's just a, it's not going to do anything.
[10:13] I can't say this is an important thing.
[10:16] I know it is.
[10:16] So, you need to sell what's brewing.
[10:17] I've been here, and I've got a very good idea.
[10:18] Mine would be very helpful.
[10:20] Very helpful.
[10:21] Nobody spoke to me.
[10:54] See, we've, uh, we've really laid down an awful lot of people, you know, in particular.
[11:03] I don't know how many.
[11:03] Two.
[11:03] That's right.
[11:04] A lot of them have, uh, had jobs and they don't want to pressure them unless you have some guidance.
[11:08] You, you take a little try and, you know, you have to strengthen the staff, but, but help.
[11:15] The government's still working.
[11:16] So we're only here to start building up something.
[11:18] We're just building up through the job.
[11:19] I mean, that's the way we've got it.
[11:21] I think that's sort of the attitude that we all come out of the league with.
[11:29] I guess there's no reason for me to be self-confident.
[11:33] Our courage, our... What is the courage of a person?
[11:39] The fact that these are such small things, that's the place where we want to be.
[12:03] I asked him a couple of other questions.
[12:16] What was the situation?
[12:56] Let me ask this.
[13:03] In Holmes' case, I know there's a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
[13:24] The higher up.
[13:54] yes it is
[14:25] the next day
[15:10] I don't think that's just a Walters memorandum.
[15:26] My discussion with Ray had to do with whether he'd seen Walters.
[15:32] I think that was on the invention of money.
[15:37] The question was, the question was,
[15:49] I do.
[15:51] See what I want to do is keep this business going, you know, but I definitely didn't.
[16:01] Keep going, I'm focusing on it.
[16:02] You know, they, you know, you know, if anything comes out of football, it's going to be out of the big question.
[16:09] I don't care if this is going to happen.
[16:13] The whole thing is, you emerge, and don't deal with Mr. Crickett.
[16:16] Very precisely with him.
[16:17] You know, if they weren't made public or were about
[16:24] Now,
[16:53] I don't want to do it myself.
[17:02] I'm in a position where I can review Jackson.
[17:15] I'll let him say how.
[17:22] You know, there's a lot of the president that's been like, you know, the whole land, the continent, the world, the black land, all the Washington, the Newfoundland.
[17:32] If you think you can do that, yes.
[17:35] If the Japs did it, like, you know, it's a plan.
[17:36] People need to know what they're up to.
[17:37] You know, and I think it's a problem.
[18:00] I want to
[18:33] I talked to all of them.
[18:37] This is an articulated question again.
[19:17] Well, my
[20:19] It takes on the fact that there was some guys down in the woodwork making a living out of it.
[21:14] I don't know
[21:44] either the war or the hunger.
[21:50] At one time, I wasn't over it.
[21:55] So that's what this victory is.
[21:56] But yes, you were a constant aggression for national security, but those aspects of this thing, which you had a reason to believe quite a bit about, were unclear.
[22:08] What do you think of that?
[22:14] So, what I'm trying to do is lay down residential retention.
[22:39] Which is now a comprehensive study that we've just been coming up with.
[22:46] Everybody is something like that.
[23:02] I mean, it's even more important than that.
[23:07] It's close to this massive problem that you're looking at right now.
[23:10] The man is the man.
[23:11] He's the man.
[23:12] He's the man.
[23:12] He's the man.
[23:14] He's the man.
[23:14] He's the man.
[23:15] He's the man.
[23:16] It helps them at the same time.
[23:20] It's invaluable to the presence.
[23:26] It helps both of them.
[23:32] You see, there's a lot of fun to do.
[23:35] I was listening to Simon and John's mind and other people that's been counseling for a long time.
[23:42] This gives them a chance to lay out their strategies for their testimonies.
[23:51] Now, the audience seems to be a little more appreciative than they were before.
[24:05] The rationale is that any responsible congressional leaders in the next century that aren't concerned may be depressed, right?
[24:10] Without making a big deal out of this thing, countrywide, right?
[24:13] It's not a big deal yet.
[24:14] Now, it's good.
[24:15] After last week, there was a great increase in popular concern.
[24:43] You can say they want this to go down.
[24:51] We'll have another draft here, except that it says that you can take it to the, uh, the switch part, I believe, or, uh, starting on page three, you'll see that they're looking at it, but I did not.
[25:03] And that should be in here, but that's the way it is.