{"conversationCode":"438-034","tapeNumber":438,"conversationNumber":34,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-438-034","startDateTime":"1973-05-22T16:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-22T16:38:00.000Z","startDate":"22-May-1973","startTime":"12:35 PM","endDate":"22-May-1973","endTime":"12:38 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:35 pm to 12:38 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 438-034 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 438-34\n\nDate: May 22, 1973\nTime: 12:35 pm - 12:38 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\f                                              -39-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 438-34 (cont’d)\n\n[See Conversation No. 46-145]","filename":["438-034.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"438-033","nextCode":"438-035","transcript":[{"start":0.17,"end":1.35,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.37,"end":10.56,"text":"They, you probably haven't heard, but there is no mine cart at the end of the night."},{"start":10.58,"end":16.78,"text":"Did you know that?"},{"start":16.8,"end":16.86,"text":"No."},{"start":16.88,"end":22.69,"text":"Well, I mean, at 6 o'clock, there is going to be a decision."},{"start":22.79,"end":27.13,"text":"There's just three Republicans, and I don't know how many of them."},{"start":27.15,"end":27.69,"text":"Now, if you say that the..."},{"start":28.48,"end":32.49,"text":"If you say that there are a lot of things going on, it's going to be best not to have something there."},{"start":34.5,"end":43.04,"text":"But I have to assure you, I have to say, why don't we just build here a TLC?"},{"start":43.06,"end":44.37,"text":"One day, who told you that's pretty nice?"},{"start":59.89,"end":78,"text":"Well, Daniel, I don't think we're going to do the plane tomorrow."},{"start":78.02,"end":78.72,"text":"I don't think we're going to do it."},{"start":78.74,"end":79.44,"text":"I don't think we're going to do it."},{"start":79.46,"end":80.16,"text":"I don't think we're going to do it."},{"start":80.18,"end":80.88,"text":"I don't think we're going to do it."},{"start":89.35,"end":99.62,"text":"You understand?"},{"start":101.24,"end":102.46,"text":"I don't want to do that."},{"start":102.48,"end":107.81,"text":"Let's say hello to the White House tomorrow night at all times."},{"start":107.83,"end":109.93,"text":"Because I know that is reciprocated by the Supreme Court."},{"start":109.95,"end":110.23,"text":"Is that clear?"},{"start":110.25,"end":110.51,"text":"I understand."},{"start":110.53,"end":110.85,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":110.87,"end":114.45,"text":"And when I get back in, it's a little bit easier for me to read it and have a few views on it."},{"start":114.47,"end":115.9,"text":"Okay, but that has to be a six because of the police they have to have."},{"start":115.92,"end":116.02,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull meet briefly to discuss scheduling logistics and security concerns regarding an upcoming appearance. Nixon explicitly instructs Bull to cancel a planned flight for the following day. The conversation reflects the President's desire to maintain a controlled schedule and formal decorum in his interactions with the White House and the Supreme Court.","topics":["Schedule management","Air travel","White House protocol","Security procedures","Supreme Court"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:10:52.252Z"},"topicSlugs":["schedule-management","air-travel","white-house-protocol","security-procedures","supreme-court"],"audioDurationSec":125,"audioFiles":[{"file":"438-034.mp3","bytes":4003840,"durationSec":124.99,"bitrate":256273,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:40.584Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/438-034.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-034","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/438/conversation-438-034","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}