{"conversationCode":"438-038","tapeNumber":438,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-438-038","startDateTime":"1973-05-22T13:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-22T13:55:00.000Z","startDate":"22-May-1973","startTime":"9:34 AM","endDate":"22-May-1973","endTime":"9:55 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"[Unknown person(s)];","description":"On May 22, 1973, unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:34 am and 9:55 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 438-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 438-38\n\nDate: May 22, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 9:34 am and 9:55 am\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nTwo unknown women met.\n\n       Item [?]\n              -White House Communication Office [?]\n\nThe unknown women left at an unknown time before 9:55 am.\n\f                                               -21-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["438-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"438-037","nextCode":"439-001","transcript":[{"start":0.34,"end":6.51,"text":"hold it right here"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Two unidentified women met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building to discuss matters pertaining to the White House Communication Office. The meeting was brief, lasting less than twenty-five minutes, and involved logistical or administrative coordination within the office. No further specifics regarding the conversation's content are available due to the unidentified nature of the participants and the lack of a detailed record.","topics":["White House Communication Office","Administrative logistics","Office operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:11:13.428Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-communication-office","administrative-logistics","office-operations"],"audioDurationSec":20,"audioFiles":[{"file":"438-038.mp3","bytes":630784,"durationSec":19.63,"bitrate":257113,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:40.581Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/438-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/438/conversation-438-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}