{"conversationCode":"439-004","tapeNumber":439,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-439-004","startDateTime":"1973-05-21T15:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-21T15:17:00.000Z","startDate":"21-May-1973","startTime":"11:14 AM","endDate":"21-May-1973","endTime":"11:17 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On May 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:14 am to 11:17 am. 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(President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"439-003","nextCode":"439-005","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":21.25,"text":"A young, rather small tank, you know, hitting throughout the river."},{"start":21.27,"end":22.03,"text":"That's something I've always not said."},{"start":22.05,"end":22.63,"text":"Why don't we say it's now 11?"},{"start":22.65,"end":23.36,"text":"And why don't we say through a box?"},{"start":23.38,"end":24.54,"text":"I think you're going to need that time to get this moving."},{"start":30.14,"end":51.98,"text":"Now, I think he would not want both of those."},{"start":52,"end":52.96,"text":"That's what the bizarre thing to work with that."},{"start":52.98,"end":53.7,"text":"But he knows the basic facts anyway."},{"start":53.72,"end":54.4,"text":"And he knows what the netcoms say."},{"start":54.42,"end":56.25,"text":"In other words, I think the first, I'm going to give the CIA one of the short courses here."},{"start":56.27,"end":57.43,"text":"Well, they're right out of the terms that I ordered to be."},{"start":57.45,"end":58.15,"text":"And it was an awful bunch of grits."},{"start":58.17,"end":59.15,"text":"And I think so, you know, put a brush mark in it."},{"start":59.17,"end":59.89,"text":"And he did, but we got out of there."},{"start":60.66,"end":72.04,"text":"And then that grain later assured me that he had made a low-creation, flat-texturized grain."},{"start":72.06,"end":75.23,"text":"Then the next thing he was interested in was the other one, which was more chemical because of the emphasis of the thing that it's working in for this thing."},{"start":88.25,"end":96.88,"text":"On April 18th."},{"start":122.19,"end":134.83,"text":"They should not be, that I consider to be, in any security area."},{"start":134.85,"end":135.77,"text":"They should not be going into a large defense."},{"start":135.79,"end":136.99,"text":"And that would then go on to say, in that same conversation,"},{"start":155.52,"end":174.5,"text":"I had to turn over to the prosecution and tell them their case and what I was doing."},{"start":174.52,"end":176.8,"text":"Then, a few days later, he informed me that I had directed them to inform me that they were going to go into jail."},{"start":176.82,"end":177.86,"text":"So I just laid it out there in the best way I could."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig discuss the management of information and materials related to ongoing investigations, specifically focusing on what should be disclosed to prosecutors versus what falls under security protections. Nixon expresses concern over the handling of CIA-related information and the legal implications of providing specific directives to the agency. The conversation underscores the administration's efforts to navigate the tension between cooperative transparency and the protection of sensitive executive branch records.","topics":["Watergate investigation","CIA","Executive privilege","Prosecutorial cooperation","National security"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:11:34.947Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-investigation","cia","executive-privilege","prosecutorial-cooperation","national-security"],"audioDurationSec":187,"audioFiles":[{"file":"439-004.mp3","bytes":5996544,"durationSec":187.28,"bitrate":256153,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:40.765Z","transcriptGapSeconds":62,"transcriptGapShare":0.33,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/439-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/439-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/439/conversation-439-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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