{"conversationCode":"439-014","tapeNumber":439,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-439-014","startDateTime":"1973-05-23T21:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-23T21:05:00.000Z","startDate":"23-May-1973","startTime":"5:00 PM","endDate":"23-May-1973","endTime":"5:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On May 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:00 pm to 5:05 pm. 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Timmons\n                              -Return\n              -Camp David\n                      -Helicoptor\n                              -Frederick, Maryland\n                              -Drive\n                      -Weather\n                      -Blair House\n                      -Ellipse\n                              -Parking\n                      -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft\n                              -Separate car\n                              -Relaxation\n\n       Clothing\n              -Manolo Sanchez\n\f                                            -47-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                          Conversation No. 439-14 (cont'd)\n\nBull and the unknown man left at 5:05 pm.","filename":["439-014.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"439-013","nextCode":"439-015","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":15.69,"text":"When are they expecting to be there?"},{"start":31.81,"end":49.9,"text":"We, uh, we made a, I told Al, we made some error in the schedule."},{"start":49.98,"end":55.81,"text":"We should never have scheduled two events the same day, or the same week."},{"start":56.57,"end":58.69,"text":"But anyway, it's done now, and we want to do it again."},{"start":74.3,"end":102.04,"text":"We're taking a power cut out of this one."},{"start":102.06,"end":102.72,"text":"Timid is pretty good at this one."},{"start":102.74,"end":103.02,"text":"Don't hate me."},{"start":103.04,"end":103.98,"text":"By the way, the helicopter is not at any place."},{"start":108.52,"end":125.68,"text":"We haven't saved all that much time."},{"start":125.72,"end":126.98,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":128,"end":131.57,"text":"There's another place I haven't checked."},{"start":131.59,"end":132.47,"text":"That is going to be about a 40-minute drive."},{"start":132.49,"end":133.13,"text":"It was 20 minutes before I left."},{"start":133.15,"end":133.93,"text":"Is the weather, you're sure about that?"},{"start":133.95,"end":134.13,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":134.15,"end":134.81,"text":"That's the weather situation was."},{"start":134.83,"end":135.33,"text":"That's a few minutes ago."},{"start":135.35,"end":135.79,"text":"Dark weather up there."},{"start":136.08,"end":160.74,"text":"Well, why don't we just decide?"},{"start":169.1,"end":176.43,"text":"I'm going to go right for him."},{"start":176.45,"end":179.72,"text":"I'm going to have this very honest to him."},{"start":179.74,"end":184.48,"text":"I'm going to have this very honest to him."},{"start":184.5,"end":187.17,"text":"I'm going to have this very honest to him."},{"start":187.29,"end":188.39,"text":"I'm going to have this very honest to him."},{"start":188.41,"end":191.75,"text":"I'm going to have this very honest to him."},{"start":191.78,"end":192.7,"text":"I'm going to have this very honest to him."},{"start":194.28,"end":198.81,"text":"Yeah, if you don't, you know, we'll send him up right now."},{"start":198.87,"end":199.99,"text":"Yeah, he can go now."},{"start":200.01,"end":205.74,"text":"You know, get a little relaxation."},{"start":205.76,"end":206.2,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":206.22,"end":206.54,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":207.5,"end":211.63,"text":"Well, you can escort out of town tonight."},{"start":211.65,"end":211.95,"text":"Let's see."},{"start":211.97,"end":212.59,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":212.61,"end":212.81,"text":"Let's see."},{"start":222.63,"end":229.48,"text":"I'll be right out."},{"start":229.64,"end":233.19,"text":"Go on up."},{"start":233.43,"end":239.41,"text":"Go on up."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull and an unidentified individual to resolve logistical conflicts regarding his upcoming schedule and travel arrangements. The discussion focused on rectifying a scheduling error involving congressional events and coordinating the President's transit to Camp David via helicopter or automobile due to poor weather conditions. 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