{"conversationCode":"439-019","tapeNumber":439,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-439-019","startDateTime":"1973-05-21T19:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-21T20:25:00.000Z","startDate":"21-May-1973","startTime":"3:40 PM","endDate":"21-May-1973","endTime":"4:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:40 pm to 4:25 pm. 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Harlow’s views\n                                          -Hugh Scott and Gerald R. Ford\n                                  -John C. Stennis and J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr.\n                                  -Henry M. Jackson\n                                  -Cover letter\n                                  -Meeting with Congressional leaders\n                                          -Carl B. Albert\n                                          -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield, Scott, Ford, Leslie\n                                           C. Arends, Robert P. Griffin and Thomas P.\n                                           O’Neill\n                                  -Contacts by Harlow and William E. Timmons\n                                  -Spiro T. Agnew\n                                  -Howard H. Baker, Jr.\n                                  -Herbert G. Klein\n                           -Cover letter\n                           -President’s schedule\n                                  -Forthcoming conversation [with Congressional leaders]\n\f                                     -13-\n\n           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation 439-19 (cont’d)\n\n                            -Forthcoming trip to Iceland\n                            -Meeting with Cabinet\n                            -[Memorial Day] message\n\nHaig’s schedule\n       -Economics meeting\n\nPresident’s schedule\n       -Forthcoming White Paper\n\nWatergate\n      -White House response\n             -Forthcoming White Paper\n                     -Henry E. Petersen\n                     -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman\n                     -Phraseology\n                     -Cover letter\n      -Ziegler’s answers to briefing questions\n      -Daniel Ellsberg break-in\n             -President’s knowledge\n                     -President’s meeting with John W. Dean, III, March 21\n                             -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.\n                     -E. Howard Hunt, Jr.\n                     -Richard G. Kleindienst\n             -Ehrlichman’s knowledge\n             -Justice Department’s knowledge\n                     -Dean’s allegations regarding Petersen\n             -Haldeman and Ehrlichman\n\nPresident’s schedule\n       -[Florida]\n               -Weather\n\nWatergate\n      -White House response\n             -Forthcoming White Paper [statements about Watergate investigation,\n              May 22, 2973]\n\f                                            -14-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                                Conversation 439-19 (cont’d)\n\n                           -Forthcoming coversation\n                           -Harlow’s view\n\nHaig left at 3:59 pm.\n\n                           -Phraseology and content\n                                  -Plumbers\n                                         -Dean\n                                                 -Papers [?]\n                                                         -Shepherd [?]\n                                         -Krogh\n                                  -President’s investigation\n                                         -National security\n                                         -Petersen\n                                         -Hunt\n                                                 -Ellsberg investigation\n                                         -Kleindienst\n                                         -Hunt’s break-in of Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office\n                                                 -Ellsberg trial\n                                                         -Evidence\n                                                                 -Kleindienst’s\n                                                                  recommendations\n                                                 -President’s knowledge\n                                  -Buzhardt\n                                  -Dean’s possible allegations\n\nZiegler left at 4:25 pm.","filename":["439-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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we can rank evidence that's been written."},{"start":514.24,"end":514.9,"text":"The rank should be for Monday."},{"start":514.92,"end":515.24,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":515.26,"end":515.82,"text":"Should be for Monday."},{"start":517.99,"end":535.26,"text":"You see, and that can be a little bit of a conversation."},{"start":535.28,"end":536.14,"text":"You understand what I'm asking."},{"start":536.16,"end":538.26,"text":"But with these dimensions and some of these things, who's the person that would want to be?"},{"start":538.28,"end":539.47,"text":"And that can be just that conversation, a sort of, yeah."},{"start":539.49,"end":541.71,"text":"Obviously, the other side of the planet, you know, how these things are, and all of this may occur in a moment."},{"start":541.73,"end":542.89,"text":"It may just be a little bit of, you know what I mean?"},{"start":542.91,"end":543.49,"text":"But that is a very technical."},{"start":546.98,"end":569.4,"text":"Now, when you read this report right now, it doesn't track as well as it should because there isn't enough substance to measure it."},{"start":569.42,"end":570.1,"text":"It's been checked out in Peterson."},{"start":570.12,"end":571.04,"text":"We've got these discussions in the new Senate."},{"start":571.07,"end":572.09,"text":"We haven't gotten Bob and John's comments yet."},{"start":572.11,"end":572.53,"text":"We're doing that now."},{"start":572.55,"end":573.43,"text":"Now, this thing's got to be smoothed over."},{"start":573.45,"end":574.25,"text":"We're going to see all the rhetoric now."},{"start":574.27,"end":575.65,"text":"Now, if we can get to our end, it doesn't track as well as it should."},{"start":575.67,"end":576.45,"text":"But they're going to take care of that."},{"start":577.07,"end":587.6,"text":"I'm not too concerned about that."},{"start":588.9,"end":592.09,"text":"I think it's close to what's supposed to be the matter here with me."},{"start":592.11,"end":592.83,"text":"I mean, there's a 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Athena was saying."},{"start":715.51,"end":716.21,"text":"Peterson had the goddamn picture."},{"start":717.5,"end":738.22,"text":"So we have to rely on Bob and John to help actually break some of that, too."},{"start":738.24,"end":738.96,"text":"I love the idea that we've got this."},{"start":738.98,"end":739.08,"text":"Shit."},{"start":739.1,"end":740.59,"text":"Get out of this place."},{"start":740.61,"end":741.05,"text":"Get out of this place."},{"start":741.07,"end":741.49,"text":"Get out of here, son."},{"start":755.1,"end":776.59,"text":"We're having a conversation."},{"start":776.61,"end":777.09,"text":"It's a pretty good idea."},{"start":777.11,"end":777.49,"text":"I have a shop away."},{"start":777.51,"end":778.83,"text":"Well, see, that's the shop away at the corner of the old building."},{"start":778.85,"end":779.55,"text":"But no, that's not to take care of."},{"start":779.57,"end":780.01,"text":"We'll take care of it."},{"start":780.03,"end":780.87,"text":"We'll always 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That's right."},{"start":809,"end":814.3,"text":"And your biggest problem, your problem on average, on average, the biggest problem is not to get anyone else..."},{"start":815.14,"end":842.1,"text":"I don't know if you want to go on here, David."},{"start":842.12,"end":842.48,"text":"I agree with that."},{"start":842.5,"end":842.94,"text":"That's very important."},{"start":842.96,"end":843.88,"text":"If you want to stay here, I don't consider it."},{"start":843.9,"end":844.66,"text":"I don't know if you want to stay here."},{"start":845.05,"end":847.49,"text":"Because I know you've done it."},{"start":847.77,"end":853.58,"text":"If I could come back and you finish kicking them in the ass and I'll reword this over."},{"start":853.6,"end":856.49,"text":"Fair enough, I'll do it."},{"start":856.51,"end":856.85,"text":"Is that a copy?"},{"start":856.87,"end":857.07,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":857.09,"end":858.03,"text":"These charges are answered."},{"start":858.05,"end":861.06,"text":"Are 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