Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 439-019
Date: Monday, May 21, 1973 at 3:40 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; Ziegler, Ronald L.
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/439-019

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[0:00] Hi, how are you?
[0:06] Good.
[0:07] Got the check done?
[0:11] Yes, indeed.
[0:11] At least a little work around the elevator will provide it to you, thank you.
[0:14] We're going to do some steps.
[0:17] We're not just going to shake that shit over.
[0:21] I feel like I rocked the curve.
[0:22] Good thing to do.
[0:28] You know, he's got a version about the, what we, uh, what the plan is, and when we can put out a follow-up, and then I can sort of get my own mind on what I'm looking for.
[0:55] There's things that, uh, there's things that, uh, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,
[0:59] Well, Bryce isn't sure of those things, but, you know, he's like, it's alright, it's done.
[1:11] It's alright, fine.
[1:14] But I want that done.
[1:16] I want to be sure it's handled.
[1:18] It's alright, it's done.
[1:18] Or, you know, I have no bail.
[1:19] Well, because we know he was with us.
[1:22] We know he was with us.
[1:22] And I've gone over to Jackson, but I wasn't there.
[1:25] So, you know, I was going to bail.
[1:29] You see, this is getting a couple of everybody up here.
[1:49] Then tomorrow, at about 4 o'clock, we'll encourage the people of the current state of Florida to retrialize it.
[1:52] For us to retrialize it.
[1:52] You know, just the one paper.
[1:53] Right?
[1:53] When he said that...
[1:57] And at that same moment, we are releasing them.
[2:11] And we're going to ask my family, and Carlisle, and those of you who are sitting down, to tell them what you're releasing, and why you're releasing them.
[2:22] As Bryce says, not to consult with them about it, but recognizing that they're going to do that.
[2:24] And we want them to understand why you're releasing them, and to hang behind them in their own way.
[2:27] How do we, uh, how do we invite them down as well?
[2:43] Well, they didn't want us to.
[2:45] All they wanted to do was find out if they were all going to be here.
[2:53] Basically, they had a doctor who drank with them.
[2:54] He was a doctor who drank with them.
[2:54] So it's morning for them.
[2:55] They didn't have to do it.
[2:55] They didn't have to do it.
[2:56] They didn't have to do it.
[2:57] They didn't have to do it.
[3:13] I'm glad you're a little there.
[3:30] I thought you were saying benign and black.
[3:31] That's what I was thinking of in mind.
[3:37] Sure.
[3:37] And more than that, it's now a program for other people to work on in other directions as well.
[3:39] The price of tests, we're seeing for them, they have to be contacted.
[3:40] That's what I'm trying to say.
[3:41] We're working on everything that we can.
[3:45] Can I help you?
[4:02] Yes, very much.
[4:10] Can I help you?
[4:11] Yes, very much.
[4:11] Can I help you?
[4:12] Can I help you?
[4:12] Yes, very much.
[4:16] Yeah, he can talk to anybody else.
[4:36] I don't want nobody else to talk to.
[4:37] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:38] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:38] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:39] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:40] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:41] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:41] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:42] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:43] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:44] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:45] I don't want anybody else to talk to.
[4:57] The purpose of all this was to kind of develop some support for the state.
[5:15] To get some, seeing this covered letter, what we're going to have is just a straight tick off of what you need to do.
[5:22] And that would deny every charge that's bad enough.
[5:23] And now we've done it all for the business of the state.
[5:25] That's what we're acting on.
[5:27] Clear the air.
[5:39] Clear the air.
[5:39] Clear the air.
[5:40] About water.
[5:40] Clear the air.
[5:41] About water.
[5:41] Clear the air.
[5:57] We're going to be on that, uh, we're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:11] We're going to be on that.
[6:12] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:13] We're going to be on that, uh, we're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:14] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:15] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:16] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:17] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:17] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:18] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:19] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:20] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:21] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:22] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:23] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:23] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:24] We're going to have Friday Puss in Boots.
[6:25] We're going to
[6:33] Now, suppose all that was leaking.
[6:43] Let's think of that very attentively at the moment, though, and see how we ride.
[6:48] We can set that up very early.
[6:48] In other words, I think announcing that, deciding that four to five days in advance would not be a good idea.
[6:53] I personally would think it would be way more difficult.
[7:04] that they would appear and have a good assessment of what was actually going on.
[7:25] We were excited that I had plenty of time to see what we wanted to do with them.
[7:27] Do you think that conversation was a good idea for you to do all four?
[7:29] I don't think so.
[7:29] That's what I suggested too, saying that we were going to do one of them.
[7:31] That's the end of the conversation.
[7:31] Well, that's all right.
[7:32] That's what I wanted to do.
[7:32] That's good.
[7:34] the conversation.
[7:43] What do I do?
[7:46] I see you go Thursday afternoon.
[7:48] Sure.
[7:48] Sure, I have no problem.
[7:52] But we shouldn't decide that.
[7:53] Oh, I do, uh, I do the conversation, too.
[7:55] I'm going to ask the professor if he wants to split that up.
[7:57] All right.
[7:57] Yeah, we're going Friday morning.
[7:58] You know, get that behind the stop.
[8:00] Yeah, just by all means, I've heard the captain try right away.
[8:02] What does that mean?
[8:07] Right.
[8:13] Just wait a day, of course.
[8:15] The day is, you know, tomorrow or the day after.
[8:19] The day, well, the title is a good day, sure.
[8:26] But we don't know when that economic meeting is.
[8:27] Well, I'm going to meet with these people at 4.
[8:28] And, uh, uh, fine.
[8:31] I'm going to skip the work, and then we'll know that that rank is 4 hours, and we can rank evidence that's been written.
[8:34] The rank should be for Monday.
[8:34] All right, fine.
[8:35] Should be for Monday.
[8:37] You see, and that can be a little bit of a conversation.
[8:55] You understand what I'm asking.
[8:56] But with these dimensions and some of these things, who's the person that would want to be?
[8:58] And that can be just that conversation, a sort of, yeah.
[8:59] Obviously, the other side of the planet, you know, how these things are, and all of this may occur in a moment.
[9:01] It may just be a little bit of, you know what I mean?
[9:02] But that is a very technical.
[9:06] Now, when you read this report right now, it doesn't track as well as it should because there isn't enough substance to measure it.
[9:29] It's been checked out in Peterson.
[9:30] We've got these discussions in the new Senate.
[9:31] We haven't gotten Bob and John's comments yet.
[9:32] We're doing that now.
[9:32] Now, this thing's got to be smoothed over.
[9:33] We're going to see all the rhetoric now.
[9:34] Now, if we can get to our end, it doesn't track as well as it should.
[9:35] But they're going to take care of that.
[9:37] I'm not too concerned about that.
[9:48] I think it's close to what's supposed to be the matter here with me.
[9:52] I mean, there's a lot of cover time.
[9:53] Because I covered this.
[9:53] Because it all starts with me.
[9:58] Now, what did we cover?
[9:59] Oh, did I?
[9:59] You'll write a story about it in the cover.
[10:03] I think it's the office.
[10:04] I think it's the office.
[10:04] I think it's the office.
[10:06] Yes, sir, but it's time to do that in an apprehensive way.
[10:20] I know that all in a lie.
[10:23] That's right.
[10:25] That's right.
[10:26] Incidentally, but, Rob, did you ever find a part of your estimate?
[10:28] And, uh, how did you ever answer as to whether I had any knowledge of that damn brain in the psychiatrist's office?
[10:33] I didn't have any.
[10:34] I've never heard of that.
[10:38] My first knowledge is I don't know when, but it was in March, maybe April, maybe March 23rd.
[10:49] So it could have been, it could have been when Dean came in, you know, his famous, he may have talked about the COVID problem then, or whatever they call it.
[10:58] So figure that, that it could have been, I don't know, it was in April, that it was in April now, you know what I mean?
[11:04] and so forth, so like farming, and they, I should have sent it out to them.
[11:13] But the idea that something had occurred, you know, let's face it, Ron, none of them knew the goddamn thing had already occurred.
[11:22] So I must have discussed it with him.
[11:24] I'm not going to marginalize him, but that's a good question, if you think so.
[11:27] I don't recall it.
[11:32] I know that you agree.
[11:35] We have assumed that he might have.
[11:39] Let's always assume that he might have.
[11:40] I know that you agree to assume any harm done to this person.
[11:44] After all, it all occurred in the period when I was conducting my investigation.
[11:48] And the point that I made to Alex as far as agreeing to this discussion was not a question of us withholding any information from the Department of Justice.
[11:53] They did.
[11:53] That was what Athena was saying.
[11:55] Peterson had the goddamn picture.
[11:57] So we have to rely on Bob and John to help actually break some of that, too.
[12:18] I love the idea that we've got this.
[12:18] Shit.
[12:19] Get out of this place.
[12:20] Get out of this place.
[12:21] Get out of here, son.
[12:35] We're having a conversation.
[12:56] It's a pretty good idea.
[12:57] I have a shop away.
[12:57] Well, see, that's the shop away at the corner of the old building.
[12:58] But no, that's not to take care of.
[12:59] We'll take care of it.
[13:00] We'll always have those things covered up.
[13:00] I'm not going to take care of it.
[13:01] I won't take care of it.
[13:02] I won't take care of it.
[13:02] We're engaged.
[13:02] We're engaged.
[13:03] Sure, we have to do it.
[13:03] You have to take care of it.
[13:06] I said, we have to meet at some point.
[13:15] This I've said before.
[13:19] So at least we will have it in town.
[13:23] I'm sure we won't have to go back and forth.
[13:24] They're only going to hire a little other big thing.
[13:26] And that's because, you know, they're all... That's right.
[13:29] And your biggest problem, your problem on average, on average, the biggest problem is not to get anyone else...
[13:35] I don't know if you want to go on here, David.
[14:02] I agree with that.
[14:02] That's very important.
[14:02] If you want to stay here, I don't consider it.
[14:03] I don't know if you want to stay here.
[14:05] Because I know you've done it.
[14:07] If I could come back and you finish kicking them in the ass and I'll reword this over.
[14:13] Fair enough, I'll do it.
[14:16] Is that a copy?
[14:16] Yes, sir.
[14:17] These charges are answered.
[14:18] Are you waiting on us then for questions?
[14:21] Uh, I address these charges.
[14:22] Uh, if I ask you...
[14:40] My major concern is that, how do I put it, that's what I'm worried about.
[15:07] What do I do?
[15:08] What do I do?
[15:08] I guess, what do I do?
[15:08] What do I do?
[15:09] What do I do?
[15:09] What do I do?
[15:09] What do I do?
[15:09] What do I do?
[15:40] rather than putting it on the back of the name of the relation.
[16:05] Now that's a shocker, you know, that a guy would walk out and give the man documents to the judge.
[16:07] We're going to talk about the original insurer.
[16:08] That insurer was more than a sentence.
[16:09] It did not provide its...
[16:09] The lawyer did not...
[16:10] uh i think on page 15
[16:42] Well, it says it's got a question mark in it.
[16:56] It has a question mark in it, but, uh, what a fool.
[16:58] I mean, like, you know what I mean?
[16:59] We're saying I ain't related to you.
[17:03] You see, on the day of the 19th, I just, uh, we're coming to get ourselves, you know, come to us.
[17:14] I wish I knew for sure.
[17:22] I thought that if I didn't know for sure, if I didn't make it, I might return it for sure.
[17:29] But, uh, what do you say?
[17:29] I have to see, you know, try to paragraph it around.
[17:37] At this point, I can't believe it, you know.
[17:40] When I put it this way, in my, uh, you know, personal
[17:53] which I initiated by marching on the bridge.
[18:08] I consider it my responsibility, my crime responsibility,
[18:34] Watergate investigation.
[18:58] Did not.
[19:23] On April 18th, when I learned that I directed a system, when I learned that the system was running, it was running on computers.
[19:48] On April 16th, when I learned that the
[20:00] All matters involve water, any issue of both parts.
[20:24] This is going to combine our distribution of weathering matters and this video of an actual
[20:39] on blank with the blanks that they
[21:08] Subsequently on
[21:43] And what there was, we had a government clear evidence that hundreds of folks had raided the office at that time, and they were treated, and all of a sudden, the police should have filed.
[22:15] Even though that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, Glenn acting on the advice, uh, of the executive
[22:43] I, uh, I directed, I directed this because I know, uh, I do forms of course.
[23:03] I know a great piece about math.
[23:04] I directed it rather than prove the translation.
[23:05] I wrote it up.
[23:05] I said, if you want to do it, I can go right ahead and do it.
[23:10] I wonder if in this instance you could take that particular part that this brought you over to.
[23:23] Right.
[23:23] And tell him that that's the way it was originally written, because I am obviously saying that I didn't hear about that break-in earlier in April.
[23:32] See what I mean?
[23:33] That's my first term of election, but I don't want to say that.
[23:35] You see, Ron, we're going to have a win there, because you're that goddamn mean to then get up and...
[23:39] It's all right to say it that way.
[23:50] I would like to have him rewrite that case and go on that line.
[23:56] I wonder if he can do that now.
[24:00] We'll be working on that.
[24:06] I've heard that this stage worked out.
[24:11] This is a terrible place.
[24:12] We don't mind.
[24:14] As a matter of fact, why don't you bring him over and work it out.
[24:17] Here.
[24:17] All right.
[24:18] Go on.
[24:18] I think he's on his place.
[24:19] All right.
[24:19] Go ahead.