{"conversationCode":"439-039","tapeNumber":439,"conversationNumber":39,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-439-039","startDateTime":"1973-05-23T18:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-23T19:27:00.000Z","startDate":"23-May-1973","startTime":"2:15 PM","endDate":"23-May-1973","endTime":"3:27 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On May 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:15 pm and 3:27 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 439-039 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 439-39\n\nDate: May 23, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 2:15 pm and 3:27 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nPresident talked with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -Meeting with Haig\n              -Fatigue of President\n              -Congress\n              -Trip to Camp David\n                      -Remarks\n                      -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft\n                             -Scowcroft’s wife\n                      -Meeting with Haig\n\f                                             -32-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["439-039.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"439-038","nextCode":"439-040","transcript":[{"start":8.01,"end":33.88,"text":"Let me ask you this, I was wondering if you could come around 4 o'clock and discuss the special effects."},{"start":33.9,"end":36.94,"text":"Let me see, this is what I would like to do."},{"start":37.63,"end":41.99,"text":"I don't want to give up for them tomorrow."},{"start":42.59,"end":52.34,"text":"I was thinking that after I did this, I'd be running all the time."},{"start":52.36,"end":53.4,"text":"It's like, I can't save them."},{"start":53.42,"end":55.45,"text":"You know, I need to get my notes ready for my remarks."},{"start":55.47,"end":58.43,"text":"Now, I would have a pretty good idea if somebody went along, maybe Skullcroft could go along."},{"start":58.45,"end":64.25,"text":"In other words, the idea is that if they're going to come to work, they still don't have enough money to put up a loan, so they're not buying."},{"start":64.27,"end":64.94,"text":"So you might tell them to go out."},{"start":65.66,"end":71.24,"text":"know his wife and who he wants to be uncomfortable with, too."},{"start":71.26,"end":74.74,"text":"That, uh, main time, I'll see you in about, say, 4 o'clock."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig met to coordinate the President's upcoming schedule and prepare remarks for a planned trip to Camp David. Nixon expressed concerns regarding his physical fatigue and the necessity of readying his notes for the excursion. They further discussed logistics involving General Brent Scowcroft's participation in the trip and broader administrative matters concerning Congressional relations.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Camp David","Alexander Haig","Brent Scowcroft","Executive administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:14:43.351Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","camp-david","alexander-haig","brent-scowcroft","executive-administration"],"audioDurationSec":81,"audioFiles":[{"file":"439-039.mp3","bytes":2607104,"durationSec":81.37,"bitrate":256310,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:40.774Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/439-039.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/439-039","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/439/conversation-439-039","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}