{"conversationCode":"439-042","tapeNumber":439,"conversationNumber":42,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-439-042","startDateTime":"1973-05-23T19:32:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-23T19:35:00.000Z","startDate":"23-May-1973","startTime":"3:32 PM","endDate":"23-May-1973","endTime":"3:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:32 pm to 3:35 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 439-042 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 439-42\n\nDate: May 23, 1973\nTime: 3:32 pm - 3:35 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nPresident met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       Congressional relations\n             -William E. Timmons\n                     -Veto\n             -Elliot L. Richardson’s confirmation\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -[Meeting with State Whips]\n                      -Blair House\n                      -Press coverage of President’s activities\n              -Camp David\n                      -President’s conversation with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n              -Meeting with State Whips\n                      -Length\n                              -Timmons\n                      -Transportation\n                              -Weather\n\nBull left at 3:35 pm.","filename":["439-042.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"439-041","nextCode":"439-043","transcript":[{"start":0.18,"end":28.37,"text":"uh but on the uh final buck deal that he would still recommend warehouse we've been doing here because some of the members are going to be in the warehouse and they're kind of excited about doing all right leaving the third house"},{"start":29.48,"end":43.37,"text":"I don't want to get caught in a press load out there."},{"start":43.39,"end":49.66,"text":"We'll just keep an eye on it."},{"start":49.68,"end":49.96,"text":"Alright."},{"start":49.98,"end":50.98,"text":"We'll just keep an eye on it."},{"start":51.5,"end":52.1,"text":"It's 5 o'clock now."},{"start":52.32,"end":52.9,"text":"They don't expect any harm."},{"start":52.92,"end":55.49,"text":"They don't expect a two-hour jackass session."},{"start":55.51,"end":58.49,"text":"I want to be sure Bill breaks those shards at 6."},{"start":59.97,"end":64.02,"text":"Or what is he suggesting?"},{"start":64.04,"end":67.32,"text":"That's exactly what he has in mind."},{"start":68.79,"end":69.53,"text":"Sure, he would sacrifice it."},{"start":69.55,"end":69.65,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":69.67,"end":70.17,"text":"Don't talk to him, boy."},{"start":70.19,"end":70.87,"text":"Have a nice day."},{"start":70.89,"end":74,"text":"If you want to walk over, if you want to play, if you want to wrestle, just drive right over."},{"start":74.02,"end":74.82,"text":"No, we'll just drive over."},{"start":74.84,"end":75.04,"text":"All right."},{"start":75.24,"end":75.5,"text":"Okay, fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull coordinated logistics for an upcoming meeting with state whips, specifically addressing the duration of the session and transportation arrangements. They discussed managing press exposure during the event and ensured that William E. Timmons would facilitate a timely conclusion to the proceedings. The conversation also touched upon broader congressional relations, including the status of Elliot L. Richardson's confirmation and potential veto strategies.","topics":["Congressional relations","William E. Timmons","Elliot L. Richardson","Presidential scheduling","Media management","State whips"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:14:59.234Z"},"topicSlugs":["congressional-relations","william-e-timmons","elliot-l-richardson","presidential-scheduling","media-management","state-whips"],"audioDurationSec":80,"audioFiles":[{"file":"439-042.mp3","bytes":2574336,"durationSec":80.31,"bitrate":256450,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.740Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/439-042.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/439-042","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/439/conversation-439-042","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}