{"conversationCode":"439-046","tapeNumber":439,"conversationNumber":46,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-439-046","startDateTime":"1973-05-23T19:58:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-23T20:01:00.000Z","startDate":"23-May-1973","startTime":"3:58 PM","endDate":"23-May-1973","endTime":"4:01 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:58 pm to 4:01 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 439-046 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 439-46\n\nDate: May 23, 1973\nTime: 3:58 pm - 4:01 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nPresident talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 46-173]","filename":["439-046.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"439-045","nextCode":"439-047","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":4.96,"text":"Hello."},{"start":9.18,"end":13.71,"text":"Hi, Ron."},{"start":13.73,"end":21.4,"text":"I am going to go over to Clare Ellison, you know, for a meeting with Congress."},{"start":21.42,"end":21.9,"text":"I don't believe in that."},{"start":21.92,"end":25.57,"text":"I think it would be all right if I say so."},{"start":28.16,"end":32.65,"text":"Oh, yeah, yeah, we went to the veto and, uh, got Richardson to the committee, right?"},{"start":33.85,"end":36.81,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":36.83,"end":36.93,"text":"Okay."},{"start":37.71,"end":38.98,"text":"What did he say?"},{"start":39,"end":41.26,"text":"He said the court will hear him."},{"start":41.28,"end":41.92,"text":"Who is old?"},{"start":47.19,"end":48.81,"text":"Well, yeah, but not now."},{"start":48.83,"end":48.99,"text":"I see."},{"start":57.62,"end":82.17,"text":"Well, anyway, there's a couple of other lines going on."},{"start":82.19,"end":83.84,"text":"All we know is that there are things that are part of the setting of this meeting."},{"start":83.86,"end":84.2,"text":"But what happens?"},{"start":84.22,"end":85.02,"text":"Well, I'm glad you came through on that."},{"start":85.04,"end":85.44,"text":"What was that about?"},{"start":85.97,"end":98.11,"text":"After this thing, the ninth run, I'm just going to take a quick break."},{"start":98.13,"end":100.83,"text":"I can't say the name of the race."},{"start":105.9,"end":106.28,"text":"The bus is the bus."},{"start":106.3,"end":106.68,"text":"We've got to hurry."},{"start":106.7,"end":107.24,"text":"We've got to have a chance."},{"start":107.26,"end":108.02,"text":"After that, we're going to have to go."},{"start":108.04,"end":108.66,"text":"We're going to have to go long."},{"start":108.68,"end":109.9,"text":"So you're going to be working through the marketing tomorrow."},{"start":109.92,"end":112.83,"text":"And another reason I'm going to do this, there's so much confusion in the way I was going to do it."},{"start":112.84,"end":114.23,"text":"I hope you have a good night's sleep when I get you up at night time."},{"start":115.29,"end":122.68,"text":"All right, thank you guys, thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler briefly coordinate on an upcoming meeting with Congress regarding a veto and the involvement of Elliot Richardson. They discuss the strategic necessity of managing ongoing political developments amid significant confusion within the administration. The conversation concludes with administrative arrangements regarding Ziegler’s schedule and future marketing work.","topics":["Elliot Richardson","Congressional relations","Presidential veto","White House communications","Political strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:15:20.838Z"},"topicSlugs":["elliot-richardson","congressional-relations","presidential-veto","white-house-communications","political-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":128,"audioFiles":[{"file":"439-046.mp3","bytes":4096000,"durationSec":127.88,"bitrate":256240,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/439-046.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/439-046","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/439/conversation-439-046","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}