{"conversationCode":"440-035","tapeNumber":440,"conversationNumber":35,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-440-035","startDateTime":"1973-05-24T17:27:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-24T17:29:00.000Z","startDate":"24-May-1973","startTime":"1:27 PM","endDate":"24-May-1973","endTime":"1:29 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On May 24, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:27 pm to 1:29 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 440-035 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 440-35\n\nDate: May 24, 1973\nTime: 1:27 pm - 1:29 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.\n\n[See Conversation No. 39-1]","filename":["440-035.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"440-034","nextCode":"440-036","transcript":[{"start":7.93,"end":11.67,"text":"Oh, good."},{"start":13.15,"end":20.4,"text":"Oh, fine, fine."},{"start":20.76,"end":32.49,"text":"And on breathing, I would hope on Tuesday, I think it would be very helpful."},{"start":32.55,"end":33.49,"text":"Yes."},{"start":33.51,"end":36.98,"text":"Well, and also the upcoming summer."},{"start":36.99,"end":37.72,"text":"Yeah, definitely."},{"start":38.69,"end":42.84,"text":"and say that we've made progress, but that we can't amount to anything."},{"start":42.86,"end":46.37,"text":"I think it would be very helpful, you know, but we can talk about it later."},{"start":46.38,"end":52.76,"text":"All right, all right."},{"start":52.78,"end":55.3,"text":"Now, don't get back to Washington and let your morale get down."},{"start":63.63,"end":70.32,"text":"We had to do it."},{"start":71.28,"end":74.98,"text":"We had to put this national security issue out there very long."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the need to maintain morale following the public disclosure of national security information. Nixon emphasizes the necessity of the recent decision to release the material despite the political sensitivity. They agree to postpone a more detailed discussion regarding upcoming summer messaging and the status of their diplomatic progress until a later time.","topics":["National Security","Public Relations","Morale","Foreign Policy","White House Strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:18:34.619Z"},"topicSlugs":["national-security","public-relations","morale","foreign-policy","white-house-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":88,"audioFiles":[{"file":"440-035.mp3","bytes":2811904,"durationSec":87.76,"bitrate":256326,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/440-035.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/440-035","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/440/conversation-440-035","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}