{"conversationCode":"440-044","tapeNumber":440,"conversationNumber":44,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-440-044","startDateTime":"1973-05-24T20:52:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-24T21:05:00.000Z","startDate":"24-May-1973","startTime":"4:52 PM","endDate":"24-May-1973","endTime":"5:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On May 24, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:52 pm and 5:05 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 440-044 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 440-44\n\nDate: May 24, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 4:52 pm and 5:05 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Rose Mary Woods.\n\n       Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n              -Appearance on television [TV]\n                      -Morning Show\n              -President’s discussion with Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -Prisoners of war [POW] reception\n                      -Length\n                      -Cheers\n\f                                            -28-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 440-44 (cont’d)\n\n      Public relations [PR]\n              -National security\n                     -Secret documents\n                             -Newspapers\n                     -Importance of secrecy for foreign policy\n                             -POWs in Vietnam\n              -Public support for President","filename":["440-044.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"440-043","nextCode":"440-045","transcript":[{"start":7.59,"end":20.15,"text":"No, I talked to her."},{"start":20.17,"end":21.05,"text":"I talked to her."},{"start":21.07,"end":30.18,"text":"Well, I tell you, it doesn't really come to you very well."},{"start":30.2,"end":30.3,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":30.32,"end":30.8,"text":"Perception of the other."},{"start":30.82,"end":31.52,"text":"That's really it."},{"start":48.78,"end":74.91,"text":"I made one cracker."},{"start":74.93,"end":77.79,"text":"I said, it's time to quit the National Bureau of Food and"},{"start":86.06,"end":89.68,"text":"So they got the money."},{"start":89.7,"end":91.29,"text":"So we've got a lot more people on our side than we think."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, discuss the President's recent interaction with his daughter, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, regarding her upcoming television appearance. The conversation touches on public relations strategies for the administration, emphasizing the need for maintaining secrecy in foreign policy and securing public support for the President’s agenda. Additionally, they reflect on the favorable public reception of a recent event honoring returning prisoners of war.","topics":["Julie Nixon Eisenhower","Public relations","Foreign policy secrecy","Prisoners of war","White House media strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:19:22.595Z"},"topicSlugs":["julie-nixon-eisenhower","public-relations","foreign-policy-secrecy","prisoners-of-war","white-house-media-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":118,"audioFiles":[{"file":"440-044.mp3","bytes":3772416,"durationSec":117.75,"bitrate":256307,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.080Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:40.964Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/440-044.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/440-044","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/440/conversation-440-044","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}