{"conversationCode":"440-064","tapeNumber":440,"conversationNumber":64,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-440-064","startDateTime":"1973-05-29T17:52:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-29T17:54:00.000Z","startDate":"29-May-1973","startTime":"1:52 PM","endDate":"29-May-1973","endTime":"1:54 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 29, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:52 pm to 1:54 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 440-064 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 440-64\n\nDate: May 29, 1973\nTime: 1:52 pm -1:54 pm\nLocation: Old Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 39-33]","filename":["440-064.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"440-063","nextCode":"440-065","transcript":[{"start":0.34,"end":9.43,"text":"I don't think that's a good idea."},{"start":9.45,"end":18.57,"text":"I don't want to sit around and sit down and ask you questions."},{"start":18.59,"end":19.61,"text":"I just want to stand up to you as much as possible."},{"start":31.99,"end":49.99,"text":"I'm not going to do that."},{"start":50.02,"end":53,"text":"I'm not."},{"start":53.02,"end":54.66,"text":"No, I'm going to get to that."},{"start":54.68,"end":58.59,"text":"Let me tell you, I just don't want to go on."},{"start":58.61,"end":59.51,"text":"I just want to use the idea to have a budget."},{"start":59.53,"end":60.03,"text":"I'm not going to do that."},{"start":60.05,"end":60.57,"text":"I'm not going to do that."},{"start":60.59,"end":61.19,"text":"I'm not going to do that."},{"start":67.83,"end":79.4,"text":"So there."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull to discuss administrative arrangements and preferences regarding potential meetings. Nixon explicitly rejected a proposed format involving sitting down for a question-and-answer session, preferring a more informal or limited interaction. The conversation reflects the President's firm refusal to engage in specific procedural requests despite Bull's attempts to discuss them.","topics":["White House administration","Presidential scheduling","Staff relations","Procedural preferences"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:21:09.948Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-administration","presidential-scheduling","staff-relations","procedural-preferences"],"audioDurationSec":88,"audioFiles":[{"file":"440-064.mp3","bytes":2816000,"durationSec":87.91,"bitrate":256271,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/440-064.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/440-064","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/440/conversation-440-064","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}