{"conversationCode":"441-004","tapeNumber":441,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-441-004","startDateTime":"1973-06-04T13:11:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-04T13:12:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"9:11 AM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"9:12 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:11 am to 9:12 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 441-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 441-4\n\nDate: June 4, 1973\nTime: 9:11 am - 9:12 am\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 39-57]","filename":["441-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"441-003","nextCode":"441-005","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.81,"text":"Yeah, I see."},{"start":3.21,"end":10,"text":"You got that thing worked out?"},{"start":10.02,"end":12.55,"text":"You can set it up over here, can you?"},{"start":12.57,"end":12.67,"text":"Fine."},{"start":12.77,"end":19.48,"text":"Well, you get it right over here, because I've got to listen to a lot of crap, and I just want to get it over with as fast as I can."},{"start":19.5,"end":21.84,"text":"And right at the same time, we're on figures."},{"start":23.12,"end":25.42,"text":"Whoa, man."},{"start":25.44,"end":27.55,"text":"You know, log of the days that I'm supposed to listen to."},{"start":27.57,"end":29.19,"text":"You know, I mean, 28 and so forth."},{"start":29.31,"end":29.65,"text":"Okay."},{"start":29.67,"end":29.77,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consults with his aide Stephen B. Bull regarding the logistical setup of an audio playback system in his office. Expressing frustration over the burden of reviewing lengthy recordings, Nixon insists that the equipment be positioned to facilitate an efficient listening process. The conversation concludes with a brief reference to managing the specific daily logs and chronological sequences of the tapes requiring the President’s attention.","topics":["White House Tapes","Audio Equipment","Presidential Scheduling","Record Management","Administrative Logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:21:42.705Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-tapes","audio-equipment","presidential-scheduling","record-management","administrative-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":37,"audioFiles":[{"file":"441-004.mp3","bytes":1173504,"durationSec":36.53,"bitrate":256971,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/441-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/441-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/441/conversation-441-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}