{"conversationCode":"441-008","tapeNumber":441,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-441-008","startDateTime":"1973-06-04T13:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-04T14:05:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"9:40 AM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"10:05 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:40 am and 10:05 am. 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Baroody, Jr.’s report\n                -Veracity\n          -Meeting with Haig\n\n     Haig’s schedule\n          -Laird report\n                -Truthfulness\n\n     Watergate\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Economic meeting\n                 -Program agenda\n\n     Economic package\n          -Freeze\n          -Gas tax\n          -Energy\n                -Separate proposal\n\f                                              -6-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 441-9 (cont’d)","filename":["441-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"441-007","nextCode":"441-009","transcript":[{"start":1.53,"end":4.7,"text":"basically is at this point not positive, right?"},{"start":4.72,"end":8.28,"text":"Or still working on it?"},{"start":8.3,"end":11.15,"text":"Yeah, fine."},{"start":11.17,"end":14.35,"text":"Do you plan to work on it today or?"},{"start":17.02,"end":17.12,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":17.14,"end":18.04,"text":"Right."},{"start":18.06,"end":18.32,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":18.34,"end":22.97,"text":"Well, you know, do your best, but let me say this is no time for main hearts."},{"start":23.88,"end":51.89,"text":"and uh heavens if the eye gets disturbed by a couple stories over the weekend we know it's rough but we'll have a few more rough ones and we've been through rubber ones too i don't blame them when they have that too you know what i mean okay well thank you al i put the economic meeting three o'clock tomorrow and tell them i want them to meet but i want them firm"},{"start":52.66,"end":62.2,"text":"And just say that the President just feels that he wants a firm thing, one way or another, knocking out the things that I've indicated, that I've decided there's no freeze, and nothing on the gas tax."},{"start":62.3,"end":62.88,"text":"Now, what else?"},{"start":63.12,"end":65.8,"text":"And keep all the energy out."},{"start":66.38,"end":67.56,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":67.58,"end":71.03,"text":"All the energy out of this, because I want that done in a separate package from earlier."},{"start":71.15,"end":72.31,"text":"Everything on energy out."},{"start":72.73,"end":74.79,"text":"Don't mix it up with other things too much."},{"start":75.91,"end":76.29,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Alexander Haig to discuss personnel matters regarding Melvin Laird and to set firm parameters for an upcoming economic meeting. 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