{"conversationCode":"441-017","tapeNumber":441,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-441-017","startDateTime":"1973-06-05T18:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-05T18:44:00.000Z","startDate":"5-Jun-1973","startTime":"2:40 PM","endDate":"5-Jun-1973","endTime":"2:44 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Hoopes, David C.;","description":"On June 5, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and David C. Hoopes met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:40 pm to 2:44 pm. 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Bull.\n\n     Staplers [?]\n\n     Folder\n          -Report [?]\n          -Tab\n               -Missing section\n\n     President’s forthcoming speech [?]\n\f                                              -14-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 441-17 (cont’d)\n\n      President’s schedule\n            -Cabinet meeting\n            -Melvin R. Laird\n            -Clarence M. Kelly\n                  -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] candidate\n            -Republican policy committee\n            -Free time\n                  -Laird [?]\n\nDavid C. Hoopes entered at 2:41 pm.\n\n      Stapler\n\nHoopes left at 2:42 pm.\n\n      President’s schedule\n            -Cabinet meeting\n            -Republican Congressional leadership\n            -Cabinet meeting\n            -Trip to Florida\n                  -Florida Technical University\n                        -Commencement address\n                        -Baccalaureate program\n                        -Architecture\n            -Radio speech\n            -Commencement address\n                  -Timing\n            -Cabinet\n            -Congressional leaders\n            -Speech editing\n\n      White House tapes\n           -Custody\n                -Security\n           -Access\n                -Restrictions\n                -Bull’s access\n\nBull left at 2:44 pm.\n\f                                             -15-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["441-017.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","Hoopes, David C."],"prevCode":"441-016","nextCode":"441-018","transcript":[{"start":4.4,"end":15.79,"text":"So let me ask you,"},{"start":16.38,"end":20.07,"text":"What's the situation on ?"},{"start":21.45,"end":23.47,"text":"I don't have ."},{"start":23.83,"end":33.21,"text":"Essentially, it's tomorrow ."},{"start":33.33,"end":37.4,"text":"Tomorrow, they have something at 5 o'clock."},{"start":37.7,"end":66.42,"text":"This is, sorry to do this, should have been brought on stapler with me, but that's the fourth."},{"start":68.78,"end":81.76,"text":"Okay, and then, and leaders meeting too."},{"start":81.78,"end":82.54,"text":"What time are they?"},{"start":82.56,"end":92.64,"text":"See, you're not gonna have the leaders at 8.30, you're gonna have to leave before 8.30."},{"start":92.78,"end":95.68,"text":"Yes, because they have to go to the meeting."},{"start":97.08,"end":108.02,"text":"You might have a cat with a cat."},{"start":108.03,"end":108.88,"text":"Try to go away."},{"start":111.95,"end":116.53,"text":"that was reached to a technological high school?"},{"start":116.55,"end":116.81,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":116.97,"end":129.11,"text":"It's a technologically oriented college, a bachelor and a graduate college, which is specific to the city techniques, architecture, as opposed to my high school."},{"start":129.8,"end":139.94,"text":"I don't know what the student plan is."},{"start":140.51,"end":142.02,"text":"And we have nothing prior to that."},{"start":142.84,"end":146.78,"text":"What time is the student meeting?"},{"start":146.8,"end":147.47,"text":"That is what it's supposed to be."},{"start":147.49,"end":150.49,"text":"Your radio speaker would be trying to not be in school."},{"start":150.51,"end":152.69,"text":"I'm certain that would be approximately 11 o'clock."},{"start":152.83,"end":153.39,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":153.41,"end":153.94,"text":"Leave the Thursday night."},{"start":153.96,"end":154.68,"text":"We get the cabinet leaders over."},{"start":154.7,"end":157.04,"text":"We would have 30 up and then 8 to 3 working the speech room."},{"start":157.86,"end":168.04,"text":"Don't get frozen on that part."},{"start":168.9,"end":178.74,"text":"You might want to ship that Confederacy because we're going to be terribly busy."},{"start":180.53,"end":187.29,"text":"With regard to the pigs that we have, all of those now are in their custody under put-back under lock and key and safe."},{"start":187.53,"end":190.44,"text":"They have to put that under lock and key, sir."},{"start":190.74,"end":191.02,"text":"Right."},{"start":191.18,"end":192.54,"text":"And that's what takes so long."},{"start":193.06,"end":196.28,"text":"You don't tame them."},{"start":196.3,"end":196.94,"text":"And nobody is rude."},{"start":196.96,"end":202.35,"text":"And I just want to say, you know, actually, I've never asked you that in your name."},{"start":202.87,"end":204.07,"text":"I'm just taming myself."},{"start":204.47,"end":205.07,"text":"You got your business."},{"start":205.43,"end":206.95,"text":"Please go about it."},{"start":206.97,"end":207.41,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull and David C. Hoopes to coordinate his upcoming schedule, including a trip to Florida for a commencement address and various cabinet and congressional meetings. The participants discussed speech preparation and the logistical management of his time. 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