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Nixon & Bull on Cabinet meetings and Congressional relations

Thursday, June 7, 1973 · 1:48 PM–1:52 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation441-028 on Tape 441StartThursday, June 7, 1973 at 1:48 PMEndThursday, June 7, 1973 at 1:52 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 441-028 ↗

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President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to coordinate upcoming remarks and logistics for his schedule, specifically concerning cabinet meetings. The two discussed the scope of congressional participation, weighing concerns about the inefficiency of large attendance versus the need for political engagement. They evaluated the roles of various advisors and Republican leaders in managing these sessions to ensure productive executive-legislative interactions.

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3 o'clock.
I don't think we are much of the audience, but I need to know what the group is in the background.
I may have already raised this question with regard to congressional participation in the cabinet meetings.
If not, I think for the left area, I mean, we've got to attend all meetings.
Bill Taylor's son was in the president's office when he was in Canada, probably in 2000 or so.
Well, we only invited him for this one meeting.
That was really my impression.
I talked to him.
Not that they would attend all meetings.
You can't have a leader.
Well, that just takes too long.
Well, tell...
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You can't have everything.
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NARA Description

On June 7, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:48 pm and 1:52 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 441-028 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 441-28

Date: June 7, 1973
Time: Unknown before 1:48 pm and 1:52 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     President’s schedule
           -Remarks for June 8, 1973
                 -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                 -Background information
                      -Bull
           -Cabinet meetings
                 -Congress members’ attendance
                            -Gerald R. Ford
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                           Conversation No. 441-28 (cont’d)

                             -William E. Timmons’s viewpoint
                             -Melvin R. Laird’s role
                             -Republican leaders
                             -Restrictions
                                   -Discussions
                             -Henry E. Petersen
                             -Ford
                             -George H. W. Bush
                             -Congressional leaders

Bull left at an unknown time before 1:52 pm.

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  • 039-134 1:52 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:52 pm and 1:57 pm.
  • 441-029 1:52 PM · 20 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:52 pm and 1:57 pm.
  • 441-030 1:52 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:52 pm and 1:57 pm.
  • 039-135 1:57 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 1:57 pm to 1:58 pm.
  • 441-031 1:57 PM · 55 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:57 pm to 1:58 pm.
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Conversation 441-028, June 7, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/441-028 (accessed October 12, 2026).