{"conversationCode":"441-028","tapeNumber":441,"conversationNumber":28,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-441-028","startDateTime":"1973-06-07T17:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-07T17:52:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Jun-1973","startTime":"1:48 PM","endDate":"7-Jun-1973","endTime":"1:52 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 7, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:48 pm and 1:52 pm. 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Ford\n\f                                               -31-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 441-28 (cont’d)\n\n                             -William E. Timmons’s viewpoint\n                             -Melvin R. Laird’s role\n                             -Republican leaders\n                             -Restrictions\n                                   -Discussions\n                             -Henry E. Petersen\n                             -Ford\n                             -George H. W. Bush\n                             -Congressional leaders\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 1:52 pm.","filename":["441-028.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"441-027","nextCode":"441-029","transcript":[{"start":1.38,"end":25.62,"text":"3 o'clock."},{"start":26.54,"end":37.93,"text":"I don't think we are much of the audience, but I need to know what the group is in the background."},{"start":37.95,"end":42.86,"text":"I may have already raised this question with regard to congressional participation in the cabinet meetings."},{"start":43.06,"end":51.35,"text":"If not, I think for the left area, I mean, we've got to attend all meetings."},{"start":51.37,"end":55.4,"text":"Bill Taylor's son was in the president's office when he was in Canada, probably in 2000 or so."},{"start":55.42,"end":60.8,"text":"Well, we only invited him for this one meeting."},{"start":60.82,"end":63.47,"text":"That was really my impression."},{"start":63.63,"end":65.05,"text":"I talked to him."},{"start":65.07,"end":68.63,"text":"Not that they would attend all meetings."},{"start":68.65,"end":69.13,"text":"You can't have a leader."},{"start":69.15,"end":69.78,"text":"Well, that just takes too long."},{"start":69.8,"end":70.66,"text":"Well, tell..."},{"start":73.76,"end":97.98,"text":"... ... ... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":101.53,"end":129.57,"text":"."},{"start":129.59,"end":129.61,"text":"."},{"start":129.63,"end":129.65,"text":"."},{"start":129.97,"end":157.31,"text":"You can't have everything."},{"start":157.54,"end":181.6,"text":"."},{"start":181.62,"end":181.64,"text":"."},{"start":181.66,"end":181.68,"text":"."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to coordinate upcoming remarks and logistics for his schedule, specifically concerning cabinet meetings. The two discussed the scope of congressional participation, weighing concerns about the inefficiency of large attendance versus the need for political engagement. 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