{"conversationCode":"442-014","tapeNumber":442,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-442-014","startDateTime":"1973-06-04T16:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-04T17:00:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"12:55 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"1:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:55 pm to 1:00 pm. 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Bull.\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the\nWatergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box\n172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary\nCommittee…,” pages 30-32 (.pdf pages 34-36). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff\nreviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under\nthe provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).\nThe National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\nBull left at 1:00 pm.","filename":["442-014.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"442-013","nextCode":"442-015","transcript":[{"start":1.5,"end":25.69,"text":"Brother, were you able to get a better view of this equation?"},{"start":25.71,"end":26.07,"text":"This is all wrong."},{"start":26.09,"end":26.55,"text":"Oh, that's the concept."},{"start":26.57,"end":26.76,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":26.78,"end":27.66,"text":"It's very nasty to take that view from this."},{"start":27.68,"end":28.42,"text":"You've got to change tapes every day."},{"start":29.88,"end":46.56,"text":"And do you think it was in this office?"},{"start":46.58,"end":47.18,"text":"I guess it was in the old one."},{"start":47.2,"end":47.46,"text":"I thought so."},{"start":47.48,"end":47.94,"text":"I remember the company."},{"start":47.96,"end":48.62,"text":"I saw it being in the old office."},{"start":48.64,"end":49.55,"text":"It's a shame that maybe they have a sequence."},{"start":49.57,"end":49.89,"text":"Oh, I guess not."},{"start":49.91,"end":50.19,"text":"No difference."},{"start":52.23,"end":75.03,"text":"Now what do we have?"},{"start":75.05,"end":75.5,"text":"What other do we have?"},{"start":75.52,"end":75.94,"text":"This is what we have."},{"start":75.95,"end":76.56,"text":"This is all we have right now."},{"start":76.58,"end":76.98,"text":"How long are you on?"},{"start":77,"end":77.34,"text":"Where are you on?"},{"start":77.36,"end":77.7,"text":"Well, it takes..."},{"start":77.72,"end":79.06,"text":"Pick me up the... Just pick up the balance of the... What do we do?"},{"start":79.08,"end":79.32,"text":"Throw the..."},{"start":79.34,"end":79.6,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":83.65,"end":109.59,"text":"I don't need April."},{"start":109.61,"end":109.99,"text":"I don't need April."},{"start":112.28,"end":114.21,"text":"No answer."},{"start":138.96,"end":159.57,"text":"There were two on April 16th."},{"start":159.59,"end":160.11,"text":"I think it was on the 2nd."},{"start":160.13,"end":160.75,"text":"I don't know if you can see it."},{"start":160.77,"end":161.17,"text":"You can sketch that."},{"start":161.19,"end":162.41,"text":"On April 15th, they launched one of those marks on the plate."},{"start":162.43,"end":163.05,"text":"I don't know if you can see it."},{"start":163.07,"end":163.69,"text":"I don't know if you can see it."},{"start":163.71,"end":164.33,"text":"I don't know if you can see it."},{"start":164.35,"end":164.97,"text":"I don't know if you can see it."},{"start":164.99,"end":165.61,"text":"I don't know if you can see it."},{"start":165.63,"end":166.25,"text":"I don't know if you can see it."},{"start":166.27,"end":166.89,"text":"I don't know if you can see it."},{"start":168.21,"end":188.85,"text":"All right."},{"start":188.87,"end":190.69,"text":"Several, Steve, and they're very sharp."},{"start":190.71,"end":190.81,"text":"Good."},{"start":190.83,"end":191.47,"text":"You've got the wall right there."},{"start":191.49,"end":192.07,"text":"See what you can do up there."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and aide Stephen B. Bull meet to discuss the technical operation and maintenance of the White House taping system. The discussion focuses on the physical location of recording equipment, the procedure for daily tape rotation, and an assessment of existing tape segments from April. 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