{"conversationCode":"442-023","tapeNumber":442,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-442-023","startDateTime":"1973-06-04T17:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-04T17:55:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"1:49 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"1:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:49 pm to 1:55 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-023 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 442-023\n\nDate: June 4, 1973\nTime: 1:49 pm - 1:55 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the\nWatergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box\n172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary\nCommittee…,” pages 39, 38, 40 (.pdf pages 43, 42, 44). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff\nreviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under\nthe provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).\nThe National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[See also Conversation No. 039-073]\n\n[Begin transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]","filename":["442-023.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"442-022","nextCode":"442-024","transcript":[{"start":33.97,"end":36.53,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":36.55,"end":37.82,"text":"Ziegler said he gave up the hate."},{"start":37.88,"end":39.39,"text":"He expected victory."},{"start":42.79,"end":64.82,"text":"But now, see, I'm really more interested in the 16th, I'm really more interested in the grades before that."},{"start":64.84,"end":66.72,"text":"So, why don't you, I've got it on file right now, 16th, because I recollect how that was good."},{"start":66.74,"end":68.12,"text":"So why don't you try to find, or can you do that, find the right one?"},{"start":71.67,"end":98.16,"text":"How long is that?"},{"start":102.02,"end":130,"text":"... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":130.41,"end":144.75,"text":"I think everyone already had a laugh."},{"start":144.77,"end":144.95,"text":"Get that."},{"start":144.97,"end":145.97,"text":"Anything I'm arguing, I'm just going to put it on."},{"start":146,"end":146.78,"text":"Get that pile up and we'll go after it."},{"start":146.8,"end":146.9,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directs his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to locate specific historical files or documents, specifically expressing interest in materials dating from the 16th. Nixon emphasizes the importance of these records, requesting that Bull organize them for review to assist in his ongoing arguments. The conversation concludes with Nixon instructing Bull to gather the relevant information so he can address the contents directly.","topics":["Presidential records","Documentation","Information retrieval","Administrative tasks","Nixon administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:26:46.692Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-records","documentation","information-retrieval","administrative-tasks","nixon-administration"],"audioDurationSec":154,"audioFiles":[{"file":"442-023.mp3","bytes":4917248,"durationSec":153.53,"bitrate":256217,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","transcriptGapSeconds":77,"transcriptGapShare":0.5,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/442-023.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/442-023","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/442/conversation-442-023","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}