{"conversationCode":"442-038","tapeNumber":442,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-442-038","startDateTime":"1973-06-04T18:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-04T21:00:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"2:50 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"5:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:50 pm and 5:00 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 442-038\n\nDate: June 4, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 2:50 pm and 5:00 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the\nWatergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box\n172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary\nCommittee…,” pages 46-57 (.pdf pages 50-51). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff\nreviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under\nthe provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).\nThe National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[Begin transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       White House tapes\n             -Review\n                     -Bull\n                              -Content\n                                     -Press conference\n                       -President\n                              -Remainder\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 5:00 pm.","filename":["442-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"442-037","nextCode":"442-039","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":24.5,"text":"Why don't you take this one?"},{"start":26.9,"end":48.77,"text":"All I want is some understanding, some brief, very brief comments."},{"start":48.79,"end":50.33,"text":"You understand this is probably about the preparing for the press conference."},{"start":50.35,"end":51.67,"text":"My guess is that it may relate to representing the U.S. Consulate."},{"start":51.69,"end":53.13,"text":"You'll recognize where it is, and it's a service for the U.S. Consulate."},{"start":53.15,"end":54.38,"text":"And if you do that, it's going to cost you a million dollars."},{"start":54.4,"end":55.1,"text":"Dollars in the back of your pocket."},{"start":58.64,"end":60.11,"text":"Hmm."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to discuss administrative preparations for an upcoming press conference. The conversation specifically addressed the review of briefing materials and the handling of sensitive logistical arrangements. The discussion touched upon representing the U.S. Consulate and the financial implications associated with these specific service obligations.","topics":["White House tapes","Press conference","Stephen B. Bull","U.S. Consulate","Administrative review"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:28:10.890Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-tapes","press-conference","stephen-b-bull","u-s-consulate","administrative-review"],"audioDurationSec":65,"audioFiles":[{"file":"442-038.mp3","bytes":2080768,"durationSec":64.91,"bitrate":256462,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","transcriptGapSeconds":46,"transcriptGapShare":0.71,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/442-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/442-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/442/conversation-442-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}