{"conversationCode":"442-042","tapeNumber":442,"conversationNumber":42,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-442-042","startDateTime":"1973-06-04T18:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-04T21:00:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"2:50 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"5:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:50 pm and 5:00 pm. 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Bull.\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the\nWatergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box\n172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary\nCommittee…,” pages 49-51 (.pdf pages 53-55). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff\nreviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under\nthe provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).\nThe National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[Begin transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       White House tapes\n             -Telephone\n                     -Fidelity\n                     -Meeting\n                     -Extracts\n                     -Selections\n\n[Resume transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       White House tapes\n             -Telephone\n                     -April conversations\n                     -Change of tape\n                             -Method\n\n[Resume transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n       White House tapes\n             -Telephone\n                     -April\n                                -Exceptions\n                                -Ronald L. Ziegler [?]\n\n[Resume transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       White House tapes\n             -Extracts\n                     -Preparation\n             -Selections\n\n[Resume transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       White House tapes\n             -Meeting with Ziegler\n                     -Bull\n\n[Resume transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       White House tapes\n             -Review\n                     -Preparation\n                            -Ziegler [?]\n                            -Bull\n                     -President\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 5:00 pm.\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542","filename":["442-042.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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Bull met to coordinate the review, editing, and preparation of White House tape recordings. The discussion focused on managing the logistics of selecting and transcribing specific conversations from March and April 1973 for official review. Nixon instructed Bull to finalize the processing of these tapes so the President could personally listen to the recordings.","topics":["White House tapes","Tape recording management","Watergate investigation","Stephen B. 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