{"conversationCode":"442-048","tapeNumber":442,"conversationNumber":48,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-442-048","startDateTime":"1973-06-04T21:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-04T22:04:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"5:06 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"6:04 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:06 pm and 6:04 pm. 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The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff\nreviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under\nthe provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).\nThe National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n[Begin transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       White House tapes\n             -Break [?]\n             -Length [?]\n             -Alternative\n\n[Resume transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 6:04 pm.","filename":["442-048.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"442-047","nextCode":"442-049","transcript":[{"start":0.39,"end":22.17,"text":"See?"},{"start":22.19,"end":22.27,"text":"See?"},{"start":22.29,"end":22.63,"text":"This one got a..."},{"start":22.65,"end":23.35,"text":"I guess I'll have to check it here."},{"start":23.37,"end":23.89,"text":"I don't have it on around."},{"start":24.53,"end":36.27,"text":"So, maybe you can, can you take it now?"},{"start":36.9,"end":46.5,"text":"Is that the number for the person?"},{"start":46.52,"end":48.05,"text":"Let me show you."},{"start":48.57,"end":50.37,"text":"Give me the number for the person."},{"start":50.53,"end":54.54,"text":"What is the number for the person?"},{"start":54.56,"end":56.92,"text":"Remember where this began?"},{"start":57.25,"end":57.75,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":58.38,"end":74.35,"text":"Okay, check it out and see if I missed something."},{"start":74.82,"end":96.24,"text":"We did lose the second more conversation, the more team conversation in a year, for some reason."},{"start":96.26,"end":96.48,"text":"We lost it?"},{"start":96.5,"end":96.84,"text":"We lost that one."},{"start":96.86,"end":98.32,"text":"And we don't have the telephone we called a few days from Camp David."},{"start":98.34,"end":100.69,"text":"The gentleman said we took more than that call."},{"start":100.7,"end":100.97,"text":"That's right."},{"start":100.98,"end":101.89,"text":"We have the ones from Peter's game."},{"start":101.91,"end":102.09,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":102.11,"end":102.69,"text":"We don't have those recorded."},{"start":102.71,"end":103.11,"text":"We don't have those."},{"start":104.93,"end":105.4,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull and Ronald L. Ziegler to conduct an administrative review and audit of the White House taping system. The participants addressed technical difficulties regarding missing or improperly recorded segments, including calls from Camp David. The discussion also touched upon high-stakes political concerns, including the ongoing Watergate investigation, the role of John W. Dean, and potential legal threats posed by the Ervin Committee and Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox.","topics":["White House tapes","Watergate","John W. 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