{"conversationCode":"442-063","tapeNumber":442,"conversationNumber":63,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-442-063","startDateTime":"1973-06-05T00:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-05T01:39:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"8:55 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"9:39 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 8:55 pm and 9:39 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-063 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 442-63\n\nDate: June 4, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 8:55 pm and 9:39 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the\nWatergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box\n172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary\nCommittee…,” pages 151-153 (.pdf pages 156-158). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff\nreviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under\nthe provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).\n The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[Begin transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:39 pm.","filename":["442-063.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"442-062","nextCode":"442-064","transcript":[{"start":0.42,"end":4.19,"text":"Doesn't have to be wrong."},{"start":4.63,"end":5.33,"text":"You see?"},{"start":5.35,"end":9.4,"text":"You can't go from 53 to 84."},{"start":9.5,"end":11.74,"text":"It's a 21."},{"start":11.78,"end":13.37,"text":"2084."},{"start":13.4,"end":18.01,"text":"My point is that that's an hour and 10 minutes on a column."},{"start":18.13,"end":18.64,"text":"Check it out."},{"start":20.06,"end":21.06,"text":"Check it out."},{"start":24.03,"end":34.67,"text":"I know, I know it's extended, but the point that I make is that it could be an hour and 50 minutes in the boat."},{"start":36.53,"end":38.58,"text":"Check it out, put it down where it actually is."},{"start":38.7,"end":42.63,"text":"It's on that tape."},{"start":43.25,"end":54.04,"text":"You see, that indicates, Steve, that indicates a conversation from 19... Let's put it a little down there."},{"start":54.06,"end":55.47,"text":"That's just the meter."},{"start":55.49,"end":56.65,"text":"That's just the meter."},{"start":57.23,"end":60.71,"text":"That says, sir, 1933 to 2834, which is an hour and 15 minutes."},{"start":60.73,"end":62.42,"text":"Yes, there ain't no telephone conversation at all."},{"start":63.52,"end":64.1,"text":"You understand that?"},{"start":64.12,"end":67.91,"text":"That's a meter reading, sir, not a time, okay, schedule."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and aide Stephen B. Bull reviewed technical discrepancies in the White House taping system's log entries and meter readings. The discussion focused on reconciling meter segments with actual elapsed time to determine whether specific logs corresponded to genuine recorded conversations. Nixon directed Bull to verify the data to ensure the accuracy of the recorded documentation.","topics":["White House Tapes","recording equipment","record-keeping","technical verification","Nixon administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:30:31.079Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-tapes","recording-equipment","record-keeping","technical-verification","nixon-administration"],"audioDurationSec":73,"audioFiles":[{"file":"442-063.mp3","bytes":2332672,"durationSec":72.77,"bitrate":256431,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.740Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/442-063.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/442-063","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/442/conversation-442-063","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}