{"conversationCode":"442-065","tapeNumber":442,"conversationNumber":65,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-442-065","startDateTime":"1973-06-05T00:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-05T01:39:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1973","startTime":"8:55 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1973","endTime":"9:39 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 8:55 pm and 9:39 pm. 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Bull.\n\n[A transcript of this conversation appears in RG 460, Box 172, pp. 153-156]\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the\nWatergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box\n172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary\nCommittee…,” page 153-156 (.pdf page 158-161). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff\nreviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under\nthe provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).\nThe National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[Begin transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:39 pm.","filename":["442-065.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"442-064","nextCode":"442-066","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":16.27,"text":"Steve, it's interesting how something's wrong."},{"start":16.29,"end":26.84,"text":"I had about 35 minutes of Christian, Julie, and Chris, if you're interested."},{"start":26.86,"end":27.26,"text":"I can't get to them."},{"start":27.28,"end":27.6,"text":"It's March 16th."},{"start":27.62,"end":28.36,"text":"Check to see whether it's March 16th."},{"start":28.38,"end":28.6,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":28.62,"end":28.82,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":28.84,"end":29.04,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":29.06,"end":29.26,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":29.28,"end":29.48,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":29.5,"end":29.7,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":30.24,"end":47.34,"text":"The meter, apparently, uh, stuck someplace, or something."},{"start":47.36,"end":49.4,"text":"No, just, just the meter reading."},{"start":49.42,"end":49.91,"text":"I think it's misleading."},{"start":49.92,"end":50.49,"text":"I heard March 14th all loud."},{"start":50.51,"end":51.11,"text":"I think I heard a radio stick."},{"start":51.13,"end":51.91,"text":"And I heard a signal."},{"start":52.87,"end":66.55,"text":"I need March 16th and March 20th."},{"start":66.57,"end":66.93,"text":"That's all I need."},{"start":77.28,"end":106.28,"text":"."},{"start":106.3,"end":106.32,"text":"."},{"start":106.34,"end":106.36,"text":"."},{"start":106.38,"end":106.4,"text":"."},{"start":109.36,"end":135.46,"text":"Yes sir, that's voluntary."},{"start":145.16,"end":147.71,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":188.73,"end":213.5,"text":"Okay, I don't care if it's dark in here."},{"start":250.27,"end":269.32,"text":"or about the other one, just follow along."},{"start":269.34,"end":270,"text":"Again, Christ was born beyond it."},{"start":270.22,"end":288.86,"text":"I'll be resting."},{"start":288.88,"end":289.28,"text":"Let me work on this."},{"start":289.3,"end":289.84,"text":"I'll get the goddamn thing."},{"start":289.86,"end":290.22,"text":"I'll listen to it."},{"start":290.24,"end":290.58,"text":"He's on and live."},{"start":290.6,"end":291.02,"text":"This is the next one."},{"start":291.04,"end":292.34,"text":"This is before I have done it."},{"start":292.36,"end":293.06,"text":"You're ready to game now."},{"start":293.08,"end":293.22,"text":"Got it."},{"start":293.24,"end":293.42,"text":"Let's go."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and aide Stephen B. Bull met to address technical issues and gaps in the White House taping system. Nixon expressed frustration over malfunctioning recording equipment and specifically requested that Bull locate and provide access to recordings from March 16 and March 20. The President emphasized the priority of retrieving these specific tapes, signaling his intent to personally listen to the recordings for review.","topics":["White House Tapes","Tape Recording System","Watergate Investigation","Presidential Records","Technical Issues"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T20:30:42.134Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-tapes","tape-recording-system","watergate-investigation","presidential-records","technical-issues"],"audioDurationSec":298,"audioFiles":[{"file":"442-065.mp3","bytes":9549824,"durationSec":298.29,"bitrate":256119,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.739Z","transcriptGapSeconds":151,"transcriptGapShare":0.51,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/442-065.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/442-065","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/442/conversation-442-065","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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