{"conversationCode":"443-027","tapeNumber":443,"conversationNumber":27,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-443-027","startDateTime":"1973-06-06T20:56:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-06T21:02:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Jun-1973","startTime":"4:56 PM","endDate":"6-Jun-1973","endTime":"5:02 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ford, Gerald R.; Scott, Hugh;","description":"On June 6, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, and Hugh Scott met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:56 pm to 5:02 pm. 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Ford.\n\n[Begin telephone conversation]\n\n[See Conversation No. 39-114]\n\n[End telephone conversation]\n\f                                            -12-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 443-27 (cont’d)\n\nThe President talked with Hugh Scott at an unknown time before 5:02 pm.\n\n[Begin telephone conversation]\n\n[See Conversation No. 39-120]\n\n[End telephone conversation]","filename":["443-027.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ford, Gerald R.","Scott, Hugh"],"prevCode":"443-026","nextCode":"443-028","transcript":[{"start":0.35,"end":26.86,"text":"Well, I understand you're tied up down there."},{"start":26.88,"end":27.6,"text":"I was, uh, had the parenting policy."},{"start":27.62,"end":28.1,"text":"Then you go to Congress."},{"start":28.12,"end":30.34,"text":"Let's be friends with the, uh, proceeds from Pearl Liquor and, uh, the quiet, just, uh, just the bad, you know,"},{"start":55.13,"end":67.52,"text":"Yeah, so you can pass that."},{"start":67.54,"end":83.25,"text":"We were going to have it tomorrow, but I decided that I wanted to wrap it up so that I could take Vietnam."},{"start":83.98,"end":109.3,"text":"and the freshman summit all at one meeting, so Tuesday is a better day for it."},{"start":109.32,"end":111.74,"text":"Yeah, you probably should have a call by now, but we're changing it from tomorrow, Thursday, to Tuesday at the same time."},{"start":111.76,"end":111.88,"text":"Great."},{"start":111.9,"end":112.42,"text":"Would you like to do that?"},{"start":113.18,"end":114.3,"text":"Great."},{"start":115.92,"end":117.57,"text":"You're invited."},{"start":117.59,"end":118.05,"text":"10 o'clock."},{"start":118.07,"end":119.21,"text":"Yeah, that's a good idea."},{"start":119.23,"end":124.2,"text":"It'll be Mel's first one."},{"start":124.22,"end":124.32,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":124.34,"end":125.34,"text":"You're invited."},{"start":125.36,"end":125.72,"text":"You're invited."},{"start":125.88,"end":126.2,"text":"Great."},{"start":126.8,"end":131.93,"text":"We'll tell you, you know."},{"start":132.09,"end":132.19,"text":"Sure."},{"start":133.07,"end":134.19,"text":"But wait a second."},{"start":134.32,"end":135.04,"text":"Wait a second."},{"start":135.1,"end":136.84,"text":"How'd you do with our friend, uh, McCluskey?"},{"start":173.86,"end":183.09,"text":"We're going to, I'm just so sure if you'd like to use him to attempt to catch me and things like that."},{"start":183.11,"end":189.51,"text":"We're putting the bipartisan two-street so that I can wrap the Soviet summit, the Vietnam in the one view."},{"start":189.53,"end":189.68,"text":"No, no."},{"start":189.74,"end":190.28,"text":"That is off."},{"start":190.29,"end":194.24,"text":"We put that off the two-street."},{"start":194.26,"end":199.46,"text":"But if I use your vote to attempt to catch me, you must do it, Gary."},{"start":199.48,"end":199.94,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":200.41,"end":200.75,"text":"Yeah, a little."},{"start":215.98,"end":243.02,"text":"But as of this moment, it doesn't have any disrupting effect."},{"start":243.04,"end":243.86,"text":"I don't want to go to that joint session."},{"start":243.88,"end":244.12,"text":"It was nice."},{"start":244.15,"end":244.76,"text":"But I'll talk to John about it."},{"start":244.78,"end":245.06,"text":"I'm following."},{"start":245.09,"end":245.35,"text":"We know that."},{"start":245.37,"end":245.71,"text":"Sure, sure, sure."},{"start":245.73,"end":245.89,"text":"We know."},{"start":265.02,"end":276.24,"text":"On labor, too."},{"start":279.48,"end":283.73,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, that would bring it off as a good thing to do."},{"start":283.75,"end":286.81,"text":"It would ruin the economy, of course, wouldn't it?"},{"start":286.83,"end":288.8,"text":"And we've definitely spent the days with the labor and management group, and both labor."},{"start":288.81,"end":289.76,"text":"Labor is a strength as you replace real estate."},{"start":289.78,"end":290.94,"text":"And management, a little less strength as you, but also."},{"start":290.96,"end":291.5,"text":"So that's interesting, too."},{"start":300.15,"end":302.91,"text":"That's what we've been thinking about."},{"start":303.17,"end":304.74,"text":"Well, you had a fine job yesterday."},{"start":305.24,"end":307.85,"text":"That's a good shot across the box."},{"start":335.73,"end":338.11,"text":"Ready, set, go."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon held discussions with Gerald Ford and Hugh Scott to reschedule a meeting from Thursday to Tuesday. The President aimed to consolidate the schedule to address Vietnam policy and a freshman summit in a single session. 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