Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 444-019
Date: Tuesday, June 12, 1973 at 1:24 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Buzhardt, J. Fred, Jr.
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/444-019

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[0:00] Yeah.
[0:10] Yeah.
[0:10] Hello?
[0:10] Did you get a little memo from Rose?
[0:14] I thought that was a line you probably already thought of yourself.
[0:16] If I were my old investigator, that would be the way I'd go at it.
[0:21] Yeah.
[0:21] Right down the line.
[0:22] You see, well, the point is, he was my counsel.
[0:44] Take, for example, all the matters of whether he did or did not, whether he was a breakdown, if you recall, to me, to a lot of artists, to therapy or something like that.
[0:47] Well, and that's what somebody, somebody in my department can do.
[0:49] He is my counsel.
[0:49] He's in contact with me.
[0:50] I don't talk to people.
[0:50] I sell his head.
[0:50] I read his accounts.
[0:52] And all the way down the line, I think the fact that he didn't report these things to the president.
[1:07] He said, well, I reported them.
[1:11] But the point is, Ernie wasn't in contact with Peterson either.
[1:13] Except in one occasion, my point is, me, the only contact that I ever had was every few days with Peterson.
[1:18] Huh?
[1:18] Huh?
[1:19] And with Graham.
[1:19] And I put that in.
[1:19] He said, did you report it to Graham?
[1:20] Did you report it to Peterson?
[1:22] You see?
[1:34] And I just nailed right to the cross on that.
[1:35] Yes, that's true.
[1:40] You see, the point Craig says, his defense will be blinded by the presence of the world around him.
[1:44] But, he has no defense with regard to grandkids.
[1:45] He was talking to them regularly.
[1:46] You see?
[1:47] So I'd ask, how many times do you see, Greg?
[2:02] How many times do you see?
[2:05] He has to check his files on that.
[2:06] That'll scare the hell out of him.
[2:06] Huh?
[2:06] Yeah.
[2:06] And incidentally, if you have any way to get the number of times, you should have the number of times.
[2:12] I get that.
[2:12] Okay?
[2:12] If the law is in that period of time, I imagine it's a scourge.
[2:16] So, yeah.
[2:17] Alright, I would get that.
[2:39] Rick Dawson called me.
[2:40] I don't know whether his calls me for a walk or any of mine.
[2:41] But the grades I was out of here with, and Peterson's for a walk, for sure.
[2:42] I just said, alright, if you talk to him 60 times, give me the opportunity to report that.
[2:44] You know?
[2:44] That's the way I could do it.
[2:45] Basically, it gets him away in the back of the line.
[2:46] He's just a little boy with a computer.
[2:47] I also told her
[3:17] Now, what is needed to deal with the fact that Frankie will leave is a very church-free room that I understand.
[3:43] And that, in this case, would be striking.
[3:43] I would say that here is a man that has been given the incentive to lie and untruth.
[3:45] What I'm getting at is
[3:46] I think that's what I had to say.
[3:53] We have to have a Christian denial without waiting for any specificity.
[4:02] Without saying, well, I didn't sing on the 14th, or I didn't sing on the 13th, or I didn't call on the 13th, or I didn't say that.
[4:08] You get there at your death point.
[4:11] Just a Christian general denial is the only way to handle it.
[4:12] You agree?
[4:12] No.
[4:12] But that should be prepared in advance for you.
[4:13] You should be working on it right now.
[4:15] Regardless of what comes up, it'll whack
[4:22] And then bring that up there.
[4:43] And then back here.
[4:44] And then back here.
[4:44] And then back here.
[4:52] It's not a special predicted problem at this point.
[5:18] I don't know.
[5:34] I wondered perhaps if I might have looked at, for example, right here in the middle of Spain, but for God's sake, no.
[5:36] That probably is it.
[5:36] For some reason, it was a pretty good indication of the fact that I didn't know what the hell was going on there.
[5:50] There's no activity, for example, that he might try to hit us on this, whether or not the skull pump is made on this bit.
[6:19] What's the other show on that?
[6:20] Oh, long before.
[6:25] Oh, oh, oh, you mean Hunt's demand, or Beckman's demand for Hunter to take place in January.
[6:44] But Dean gave me the impression he just heard it.
[6:51] The impression he had that day, when he first arrived, Dean had some talk about Mechel and Atlas working together.
[6:53] I don't know what the hell it was about when he asked me that, sir.
[6:55] In other words, I don't know why in the world would he be raising money in the market.
[7:16] Oh, yeah.
[7:16] I didn't believe there was anything about the bird in the market.
[7:21] The reason that he and his, uh, Chuck McPherson deal with the attorney last week, tried to say from January on, and, and you don't see me in the program.
[7:37] I'm asking, uh, I haven't asked my dictionary to recollect it.
[7:58] I could have asked it on my phone, you know, explore it and see what the world would have known.
[8:00] It's not that, you know, I've not been able to find it.
[8:01] I'm confident I didn't, you know.
[8:02] But, uh, well, it doesn't make a difference whether that was a good idea or not.
[8:03] I don't know.
[8:04] and anyhow you'll be ready for that first mark what you need to know there
[8:24] You understand, all I have are the fragmentary notes.
[8:31] They're not bad.
[8:32] They're just different.
[8:33] I've got more than I realize.
[8:41] But it's like my thing.
[8:42] I'll be glad to go.
[8:42] You've got to wait.
[8:43] You've got to wait.
[8:43] I know.
[8:46] And every question you can think of, be sure that you have run out of stickers and all the others.
[9:03] I have raised a number of questions, you know, and I'm curious to find out if this is all or not.
[9:05] This is coming to play here.
[9:06] Let me just summarize it for you.
[9:06] Off the 23rd of March, we came to talk about the cancer of the heart of the heart.
[9:08] And throughout the conversation,
[9:11] Dean never talked about his own problems.
[9:31] He said, well, maybe I got a problem.
[9:32] He'd say that, but he can't say what was.
[9:33] He was already talking about what a girl's got a problem, what a boy's got a problem, what a girl's got a problem.
[9:35] But he never talked about specifically what he was talking about.
[9:36] Do you get my point?
[9:37] Which is also what tells us something.
[9:37] What about this?
[9:38] What about that?
[9:38] If you tell her, for example, that Lydia on June 19th told you everything that she has told the prostitute, did you not receive it?
[9:53] You didn't tell me anything about it.
[9:55] I didn't even know you talked to Lydia on June 19th.
[9:58] What's that like?
[9:59] Right?
[9:59] June 19th, you see her say that Lydia told her everything on June 19th.
[10:01] He has also said that he told that to her.
[10:11] It later comes out that he told her.
[10:16] He told her to him this year, not last year.
[10:17] But he sure did tell me.
[10:24] And Lily told him.
[10:24] I don't know what Lily told him.
[10:25] My guess is Lily did tell him.
[10:26] You think Dean knew about it all this time?
[10:27] Why would he tell somebody that?
[10:34] Well that's alright, I don't... Yeah.
[10:59] Yeah, but my point is that was action security and that's the line.
[11:00] I don't blame Dean for that one bit.
[11:01] Or our girls, our young, our girls.
[11:01] Yeah.
[11:03] Okay.
[11:04] Thank you.
[11:10] What's the average show on that?
[11:24] Oh.
[11:24] Oh, long before.
[11:25] Oh, oh, oh.
[11:25] You mean Hunt's demand, or Beckman's demand for $125,000 to take place?
[11:32] You mean Hunt's demand, or Beckman's demand for $125,000 to take place?
[11:37] I can't hear it.
[11:38] But Dean gave me the impression he did.
[11:41] I can't hear it.
[11:41] But Dean gave me the impression he did hear it.
[11:48] The impression he had that day, like, Thursday, Dean had some talk about it.
[11:55] In other words, I don't know why in the world would he be raising money on our actual campus working together.
[12:28] I don't know the reason that he and his, uh, what the hell is about looking back, because it's not a deal with him.
[12:54] But if I was trying to say, how the hell January on,
[12:58] In other words, I don't know why in the world, and you don't see me in the program.
[13:04] What do you think?
[13:08] Are you raising money?
[13:13] I'm asking you.
[13:13] I'm going to ask if I can kind of recollect it.
[13:15] I could have said it on the phone.
[13:26] in the world and have no much confidence in myself.
[13:46] It's not because I'm starving.
[13:47] It's my whole idea.
[13:47] I need to sleep.
[13:47] I need to do it.
[13:48] I am confident I can do it, you know.
[13:48] But, well, it doesn't make a difference if you think about the burden on which everything comes down to.
[13:51] It's not that I need to do anything.
[13:51] I don't care about anything.
[13:52] And anyway, the reason that he and his shotgun company, and I've got here, you'll get a deal, right?
[14:18] And then Thursday, March 30th, last week, trying to say from January on.
[14:20] And do you have an email or something?
[14:21] What do you do?
[14:22] ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
[14:47] But, uh, well, it doesn't make a difference whether that was indicated or not.
[15:10] But, uh, any, uh, if you haven't made it enough, uh, your advice is, uh, you'll be ready for that Thursday morning.
[15:12] Yep.
[15:12] But you need to know there, uh,
[15:14] You understand, all I have are the fragmentary notes.
[15:19] They're not bad.
[15:20] They're just a secret.
[15:21] I've only got more than I realize.
[15:23] But, you've got to feel it.
[15:29] That's my thing.
[15:31] I already told a lot.
[15:32] So, I'll be glad if you'll feel it, too.
[15:32] You've got to feel it.
[15:33] You've got to feel it.
[15:33] I know.
[15:36] And every question you can think of, be sure that you have run out of stickers and all the others.
[15:55] I have raised a hundred questions.
[15:56] Let me just summarize.
[15:57] We're off the 23rd of March, and we came in front of a cancer party.
[15:59] And you're out of time today.
[16:01] Dean never talked about his own problems.
[16:09] He said, Rob, maybe I got a problem.
[16:12] He didn't say that.
[16:12] But he kind of said, well, what?
[16:14] He was already talking about what Bernie's got a problem, what Paul's got a problem, what Earl's got a problem.
[16:20] But he never talked about specifically what he's got a problem.
[16:26] Do you know what?
[16:26] Which is also what must tell us something.
[16:27] What about this?
[16:28] What about that?
[16:29] I think you'll tell her, for example, that you understand all I have are the fragmentary notes.
[16:44] They're not bad.
[16:45] They're just different.
[16:47] Lydia, I got more than you.
[16:51] It's not even real.
[16:52] I can't tell you everything.
[16:52] But she is totally trusted.
[16:53] So I feel like I might have been already told a lot.
[16:54] So I'll be glad if we'll get to see you.
[16:55] You didn't tell me anything about it.
[16:56] I mean, you don't even come to Lydia.
[17:00] You've got clarity.
[17:17] You've got clarity.
[17:18] All right.
[17:18] If you have any questions, you can ask me at the meeting.
[17:23] Just to be sure that you have talked about this, and all the others.
[17:25] I am afraid that they have other questions.
[17:25] So remember, June 19th.
[17:26] June 19th.
[17:26] June 19th.
[17:26] And he has also said that this fall, I was told that her mom didn't come.
[17:29] Let me guess.
[17:33] I don't think you told her anything like this.
[17:35] All right.
[17:35] We're off to 2030.
[17:37] We're doing this.
[17:39] We came in about this year.
[17:43] We came through probably last year.
[17:45] But if you're out, I'm sure this is going to be.
[17:49] Dean never talked to me about it.
[18:12] He said, Rob, maybe I don't remember.
[18:13] I got a problem.
[18:13] He didn't say that.
[18:13] He was already talking to me about it.
[18:14] But he never talked about it.
[18:15] He knew about it.
[18:16] that you've gone through, given all this time, which is also why we tell somebody else about this, because they don't know about that.
[18:43] Think about, for example, when Lydia, June 19, told you everything that she has told the president about that.
[18:46] Yeah, right.
[19:04] June 19th, you see, is the living, I might tell you that was National Security, and that's the line.
[19:13] I don't know the number, June 19th.
[19:14] I mean, for that long, the ADS also said that, or, or, or, or, or.
[19:16] It later came out that he told her everything, like he told her part of it.
[19:42] That's what I mean.
[19:43] They shot Peter last year.
[19:43] But he sure did tell me.
[19:44] They told him I heard things.
[19:44] I guess that's what he did.
[19:45] Okay.
[19:45] Thank you.
[19:47] Well, that's all right.
[20:12] Yeah, but my point is that was National Security, and that's the line.
[20:31] I don't blame them for that one bit.
[20:32] Or, or, or, or.
[20:32] Yeah.
[20:32] Okay.
[20:32] Thank you.